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↩ replying to freemymind 🇨🇭
Good point. I'll try to illustrate the problem as it's displayed in America. Corn and soy is subsidized, so farmers are incentivized to grow them to feed to animals that don't actually eat them vs just grazing cows and sheep. The subsidies are only possible because of the money printer. Add to that the financialization of real estate. Add to that a healthcare system which prioritizes $ over health. There shouldn't even be an egg industry, 50% of the country should be raising their own chickens. The other 50% should be buying directly from a farm within 50 miles. Same goes for milk, but that is a bit harder in the states because we fucked up suburbia so it's not really possible to have milk sheep and goats roaming a neighborhood or a common space for a couple cows to supply a whole neighborhood, so I'll compromise and say pretty much every single person should have a garden. Aspartment dwellers can grow their own herbs, home owners can do a couple raises beds and coordinate with their neighbors to barter. This is harder bc everyone is poor and needs a second job or has to take time to reevaluate their portfolio for retirement. Gardening is a huge part of the human experience and all people should have their hands in the soil regularly, it's a grounding and relaxing experience.
↩ replying to AU9913
Thanks a lot for painting this story. For me this is a too romantic view on ideals of the past. When someone likes gardening I wish them fun to do so at the scale they like to do it. But I also see real advantages in the economy where people can professionalise in other segments. I really think, that the complexity of our society makes it harder to understand the sense behind it sometimes. But it also lavereges our common wealth a lot. And I would say it is really objectively more efficient when there is a farmer that buys expensive machines and works on farming the whole week to produce food formany people instead of everyone gardening their food. It allows higher quality at lower prices in the end. I think what the USA is not so strong in is regulation. And this can be good in some parts of the economy. But in other parts we have to accept, that the natural incentives are not support a sustainable society. From our genetics we are programmed to eat sugar intensive, because most parts of earth history starving to death was one of the biggest threats to life. Now suddenly it is no problem at all for many people in this world. This is a great message. The new problem is overeating. But this needs discipline and a society that supports us. Addictions are problematic in most cases, when they gain control over our decision process. So it is a similar problem with sugars, as it is with smoking, alcohol and cocain. We need to use our brain and let it take part in our decision making. And as a society we can decide to prohibit products or prohibit commercials about some products, because their addiction is problematic on an individual and a society level.
↩ replying to freemymind 🇨🇭
Few things to address. Industrialized farming has lead to lower quality, so that point is objectively false. Farming doesn't require big expensive machines. I run a farm and the biggest equipment I have is a pickup and a Polaris. Saying people should specialize doesn't negate my points. Today, women are forced to work, used to be able to own a house, have kids, and a car all on a mans salary and its thanks to the money printer. If only 1 person has to work, the other and kids could manage tending a garden for 20 minutes a day, it's not a big deal, but go look at war propaganda from WWII, a little goes a long way and also adds community to your neighborhood. Regulation and prohibition aren't the answer, govt created this problem, they will not be the ones to fix it. They need to end all agricultural subsidies. Period. Fuck the state. I general take issue with your initial point that this view I have is too romantic. Go research permaculture, we can live better lives more in tune with nature AND have an advanced society. Having an herb garden or one raised bed or raising chickens or rabbits or even a little pig doesn't take long and gives you control over the quality and sovereignty, gardening like this is basically printing your own money.
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↩ replying to Kendy
Sounds like they're trying to give people cancer. Body builders typically recommend .9-1.1 grams of protein per kg of bodyweight. At least they are finally promoting fats. Majority of Americans don't do enough intense exercise for their high sugar diets, fats are a better source of energy if you are sedentary
a subtle way of saying that you will no longer be able to buy anything and that now you will have to return to the times of feudalism where you could barely get any grain to survive because everything else will go to the next armies that we are going to need for the next wars.
↩ replying to npub1kwk9...hx95
It isn’t. But there is nothing wrong with whole grain food like bread and brown rice, and some meat is carcinogenic. These are flipped. To promote it as top of the box is misleading and goes against all research we have. Mediterranean diet eaters tend to live the longest and healthiest and their quantities of meat and whole grains are reversed.
↩ replying to npub1kwk9...hx95
There is a lot of research on keto and the results are mixed compared to Mediterranean diet. That’s not to say that one can’t live healthily doing keto or including meat in their diet, but the unwanted effects of meat are cumulative. My first comment was strong and I was just having a laugh. But if I’m not just being purely facetious - a/ red and some processed meats are carcinogenic and saturated fat should be limited and b/ whole grains are good for you and they don’t need to be limited. This research is undisputed (excluding “influencers”) and I understand people really want to see their diet represented by an FDA approved chart, but that doesn’t make it scientific, and I’m merely pointing out that our top and longest studies have found Mediterraneans to have optimal health and long lives and they have emphasis on different foods than this than this arrangement. At the end of the day nobody follows the guidelines anyway so it doesn’t really don’t matter, but to say eat as much meat as you want consequence free just doesn’t reflect the quite unanimous research we have.
↩ replying to Bunnyman
nvm! no reason for us to start digging up studies. I've seen a lot of them but don't have any at my fingertips. Personally I do very badly on grains (oddly enough rice in particular) and I thrive on a zero carb diet. It's not for everyone, but it works very well for a whole lot of people. Given the state of metabolic health in the US, a shift away from carbs seems like a good idea to me, but I think the main problem is highly processed food. Unfortunately I don't see that going away any time soon. Sounds like you do well on Mediterranean. Great- so much good food in that mix. Best to you -
↩ replying to npub1kwk9...hx95
I would assume that we agree on a lot in regards to nutrition and realistically I am being very nit picky! because at the end of the day if people ate this way as advertised in the pyramid it would be far better the average SAD diet. And I want to make it clear that I’m not even advocating for my diet, (im whole foods plant based) I’m simply advocating for what I think the research points towards and following the data over biases - of which the Mediterranean is always the clear victor, and it includes some but minimal animal products, which I don’t eat. I think my diet is best for me, but I think the best general diet to be prescribed for a large population without individual consideration would be Mediterranean - purely based on research. That’s not to say Individuals like us may consider keto, plant based or anything other diet more healthy for our selves and be able to eat optimally (or conversely some can find ways to do it unhealthily!) within that framework. I just wouldn’t prescribe those specific diets that as a general diet unless followed optimally (which generally just includes adding more Mediterranean aspects back in). And I largely agree with you, but I’d just point out that most carbs in modern day food are ultra processed and usually are lumping unprocessed quality grains in with them which just muddies the “carbs” picture in a way that is unhelpful. Anyways, all this is to say, I’m not arguing with you, just stating where I’m coming from (and like I said, it’s nit picky and I don’t disagree with anything you said)
↩ replying to npub1kwk9...hx95
I’m not a nutritionist, and I cannot interpret the data correctly. I also think that a lot of the disagreements in nutrition come down to people who cannot interpret data correctly deducing absolute opinions from the data. Therefore I try to follow people who are qualified and unbiased, and do not talk in absolutes, who can interpret the data well and then merely show what the data represents. I try to avoid anybody telling me that any diet is the absolute unquestionable optimal one, even though I follow what is considered a niche diet, I don’t dismiss other diets and think most can be done healthily in some way or another. I think the guy at nutrition made simple does a great job at this and he basically goes thru studies in a fairly unbiased manner and tells you what they suggest.
↩ replying to BitcoinSandy
What a shame Sandy 😉 You CAN eat plants. Thats why we have a colon. But that part is relativly short compared to the small intestine, which is primary for protein and fat. So humans are a hypercarnivore species meaning 70% animal based is actually human appropriate (naturally veggies/fruits are seasonal e.g. berries). Funfact, I got rid of my 20 year lasting, life crippeling depression and anxiety with keto, and later carnivore. Enjoy ✌️
↩ replying to npub1kwk9...hx95
Maybe, but...
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Physicians Committee on Instagram: "The new Dietary Guidelines just dropped and they’re a mixed bag. ⁠ ⁠ They say they want to lower saturated fat but still promote meat and full-fat dairy—the top sources of saturated fat in the American diet. ⁠ ⁠ They recommend low-carb diets for people with chronic conditions. That’s outdated science and it’s dangerous. ⁠ ⁠ We’re glad they mention vegetarian and vegan diets, but the language is far too cautious, like it was written by the meat industry. ⁠ ⁠ These guidelines need to do better and now is the time to fix it. ⁠ ⁠ Read our full response at the link in our bio."
3,207 likes, 127 comments - physicianscommittee on January 7, 2026: "The new Dietary Guidelines just dropped and they’re a mixed bag. &#x206...
↩ replying to Nesha St®🍏🐾🌍
well, yes - plant-based organizations will probably not be crazy about recommendations for meat But your claim was that Big Food had its fingerprints all over this. Big Food is companies like PepsiCo Coca-Cola Nestle (includes General Mills, Pillsbury) Kellogg's Mars, Inc Mondelez International Unilever: ConAgra Foods: Kraft Heinz: Where do you see their fingerprints on these recommendations?
↩ replying to npub1kwk9...hx95
Meat and dairy are the biggest part of Big Food. Its ingredients are in almost any product. Read the labels. Most health problems, most diseases that people have, are caused by animal products. Meat and dairy products, among many other products, are patented. On the other hand, they still can't patent fruits and vegetables. At least not until they change their DNA, which they push hard to do.
↩ replying to Nesha St®🍏🐾🌍
So those corporations that I listed - you think that meat and dairy are the main ingredients in the products they sell? I would be very surprised if that were true. Corn - in many forms - is in almost all processed foods, as are seed oils (from plants) and as well as wheat and soy. And there are patented, genetically modified dairy cows as well as patented, genetically modified soy beans and corn. I don't think that's as common in fruits and vegetables. For my family, I love knowing the source of my food, which is far easier for us with meat than grains and beans. I know the environmental impact - positive when animals are raised well - and I know the families who raise them. But all best to you! I hope your food is keeping you healthy and happy :)
↩ replying to npub1kwk9...hx95
I did not say "main". They put it in lots of products. Not all, of course. They don't waste any milk or meat; they make milk powder and put it in many sweets (Kellogg's, Nestlé, Mars...), or they grind bones into powder and mix it with sugar... The moment I realised this and other facts about Big Food, I stopped eating it. Thank God! Everything about my body and my overall health improved significantly, including my diet, compassion, and emotional well-being. And yes, I can prove it with my annual medical tests. And when you list Big Food companies, you must include these as well: Tyson Foods, JBS USA, Cargill Meat Solutions, National Beef, Smithfield Foods (part of WH Group), Dairy Farmers of America, Land O'Lakes, Saputo USA, Lactalis American Group, Schreiber Foods...to name a few. A "patented soybean" is a type of food meant for animals. Soy is not patented. One can stay ignorant and stubborn, following corporate and government propaganda, or do due diligence.
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I was eating a bowl of yoghurt this morning, and my mother in law asked me “so, no fibers? No granola?” I kinda doubted, but didn’t really start the conversation, also because I’m not really sure how to argue about the fact that granola is a lie.
↩ replying to serenitys forge
I think the issue is more about the cost to institutions, which will now have to use these guidelines Real food takes more time and generally costs more. In some ways you can think of inflation and fake food going hand in hand: the only way inflation numbers for food can look (relatively) low)is by having people replace real food with factory food. Which they inevitably do as real food shows the true devaluation of the currency. Anyway - nice to see this video. I hope the guidelines push more people to grow their own food!
↩ replying to npub1kwk9...hx95
I don't disagree. But institutions can leverage their purchasing power to encourage local production/sourcing making medium sized farms more viable. Especially if they act as a co-op to pool resources. But this thread is more about what we can do as individuals to take back some control and support local production by learning and sharing skills and reaources.