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Isn't eCash just custodial lightning with extra steps that help with privacy, though? The vast majority of zapping is already done via custodial lightning as things stand, and one of the biggest pain-points for new users is figuring out how to get set up to send and receive zaps, so I really do like the onboarding experience of clients that have built-in NIP-60 wallets. Β  If there was a way to make self-custody lightning as seamless an experience for the average user, then I would be all for it. I use my own node for zaps 99% of the time, after all. Β  I just hope we continue to be able to use Nostr clients that integrate eCash with our own self-custody lightning wallet if we want to. That’s going to take us being vigilant and push-back when client devs don’t include that option.
I am not terribly surprised node-running is suffering. Do you know somewhere to see the actual numbers of reachable nodes, preferably with a graph over time? #asknostr might, if you don't. I feel like one of the few who wants to be a full participant in the network, running my own node that I use for both my on-chain and lightning transacting, as well as for creating my own block templates for my miners to hash. But I also know that I really can't expect that level of head-first dive into all things #Bitcoin from most of my friends and family. Hence why I am glad tools like Alby Hub exist so I can easily host my family members' lightning wallets for them.
I'm not sure on the network info but personally I have a lightning node with 14 channels (4 of them are part of a ring of fire) and they are all to podcasters and musicians that are part of the podcasting 2.0 community. The only non-pleb channels I have are to and from the Podcast Index itself. I was using the Alby hosted wallet for years but the switch to AlbyHub is what finally made me fire up a lightning node of my own for personal use and to help other nodes connect to each other. Are we all crazy? Maybe but it's been working just fine for years now.
have you looked at people's LUD16s? almost everybody and their mother are on custodial zappers, even people that run LN nodes. Cashu is strictly an improvement over CUSTODIAL lightning. And since it uses lightning, you can just continue zapping without ever running a mint or having a sat under custody, the only difference for you will be that instead of paying a bolt11 of wallet of satoshi or strike you'll pay a bolt11 of one of hundreds/thousands of mints.
There is no nostr wallet war. There is Primal and there's the rest that either doesn't work, is a PITA to set up and use, or is centralized af. We can complain all day about why nobody is running a node. We can wait another 10 years and it still won't happen. The Cashu people will keep building open source magic internet money tools for today. Join us.
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the cashu people will probably win the nostr wallet wars but it will be a sad day for my non-custodial lightning node. I guess I will just stop zapping when that day comes, I don't want to use a custodial node or run cashu just to zap.
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I am pretty tech literate- self custody, run nodes, understand most of the high level stuff etc. There is no way I'm running non-custodial Lightning. The Primal wallet works fine and there has to be some trust abstraction at some point in this space.I just don't see why we would need to have a more complex setup to Zap a few hundred bucks in a year.