Everytime I zap someone vie Lightning from my wallet, it takes 5-10 seconds for the zap to settle and for everyone to see it happen on nostr.
Everytime, I think "this could've been an instant nutzap". "Tap, boom. Tap, boom. Zap zap zap. I would be zapping so much more."
The reason a nutzap is instant is obvious. At this point, I hope that everyone knows that a Cashu nutzap is just an instant transfer of an IOU from one user to another.
Let's step back and look at a pure Lightning zap on nostr for a second. We all know that the vast majority of Lightning zaps is effectively an exchange of one custodial IOU against another one as well. Most people use custodial wallets. So why is it still so slow? It's the Lightning settlement between the two custodians that often takes 5-10s to complete. Note, some users actually do run their own node, manage channels, run LNURL servers, etc. But they still get the same UX.
Here is an idea. Let's say a user doesn't want to use Cashu. Pure Lighting maxi which I think is great. I've been a Lightning dev for years before I started working on Cashu. This user could still be nutzapped and even remain fully self-sovereign if they run their own node.
What if the receiving user's Lightning wallet (custodial or non-custodial) was able to melt all nutzaps it receives by watching the nostr wallet ("nutsack") of its user? Either for every nutzap or whenever enough nuts are accumulated, the service could withdraw the nuts to the user's real Lightning wallet.
Effectively, this would improve the zap UX by showing everyone an instant zaps. The receiving user's custodian (or themselves) would have to run something like a nostr-cashu-wallet-watcher on a server to receive while being offline, but they have to run a Lightning node and LNURL and all that anyway (they already have a server).
Even without a server, normal nostr clients without true nutzap support could withdraw all nuts accumulated while they were offline back to their Lightning wallet everytime they come back online. The only real difference to a normal zap is that noe it's the receiver's job to settle via Lightning, not the zap sender's.
Nevertheless, zaps on permissionless social media like in nostr will never be completely trustless. They can't solve the sybil problem for instance. If you want, you can zap yourself an infinite amount of normal Lightning zaps on nostr without moving s single Satoshi. We faked zaps in the early days like crazy just to have fun.
But it actually turns out, all that doesn't really matter too much at all. First, people seem not to abuse the sybil issue. We had fun for a few weeks but then it got uninteresting There is not enough to gain, no algorithm to fool, no benefit of lying (at least not yet). Second, zaps are literally free money given to you from a random person. Why would someone rug you if they want to literally gift you money? It doesn't make much sense.
I think we have a lot more to learn. @PABLOF7z recently said he thinks we have explored 1% of what zaps can be. He might be right. I think the reordering of events that a bearer zap system like with Cashu brings could open new doors for insane UX and it looks like we're actually going to find out. We have zero-config wallets now. Imagine how cool it is to bring your money wherever you go with your nsec.
Keep exploring, cypherpunks. We do live in the best of all times. Bullish on Bitcoin, bullish on Nostr, bullish on Cashu π§‘
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Yes. It makes a lot of sense to detach payment and settlement.
And cashu seems to be natural payment protocol. It will became the default.
I dunno if this is sacrilegious, but for me privacy is pretty far down the list of what makes Cashu attractive. It's like privacy, sure, why not, I'll take itβbut it's this kind stuff that really does it for me.
The privacy of Cashu comes as a byproduct of great UX, as it should be.
If you chose specifically to attack me on the 'UX' lies. Congratulations. You're siding with abusive people, and you probably haven't even figured out there are multiple people involved and you're massively deceived.
making the MORE private thing easier, better and faster - this is the opposite of what centralized tech does, and this is how we slay it.
yes this sounds great.
let's do it.
Why is Primal βinstantβ (at least on the UI and therefore UX) but other clients and/or wallets have the delay?
Does anyone have anything, even a script, we could run manually thatβs like this proposed Nostr-Cashu-wallet-watcher?
nuts, nutsacks, and nutzaps π₯β‘οΈthis is peak performance
Cording agree more
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As UX improves, I think Nutzaps will become more popular. We they also need more exposure, too.
Simple things like embedding nuts in emojis or images might seem like geeks having fun, but what's really happening here is breaking down some of the friction to give people exposure.
UX will always be the largest hurdle. If it can be instant and easy, then I think we've nailed it.
One of the most powerful and innovative features on NostrβZapsβstill faces significant technical hurdles that limit its usage. Have you not seen @corndalorian's daily passive aggressive memes about it?
Enabling, sending, and receiving Zaps should be so effortless that someone could practically roll their face across the keyboard and make it happen. Zaps should "just work". @primal does an excellent job solving this issue this with a KYC wallet upon on-boarding, however not everyone wants KYC, nor can everyone use Primal's region locked wallet.
Why do we need Zaps to be this easy? Because seamless usability mirrors the existing financial system. People don't like change, especially when it makes things more complex or confusing. If we want value for value to grow, we need this foundation to be strong. That happens with adoption.
Will Cashu, a "Nutsack," or a "Nostr Wallet" solve this? Itβs entirely possible. In the end, it all comes down to user experience. Keep building. We need this code to be cracked.
Everytime I zap someone vie Lightning from my wallet, it takes 5-10 seconds for the zap to settle and for everyone to see it happen on nostr.
Everytime, I think "this could've been an instant nutzap". "Tap, boom. Tap, boom. Zap zap zap. I would be zapping so much more."
The reason a nutzap is instant is obvious. At this point, I hope that everyone knows that a Cashu nutzap is just an instant transfer of an IOU from one user to another.
Let's step back and look at a pure Lightning zap on nostr for a second. We all know that the vast majority of Lightning zaps is effectively an exchange of one custodial IOU against another one as well. Most people use custodial wallets. So why is it still so slow? It's the Lightning settlement between the two custodians that often takes 5-10s to complete. Note, some users actually do run their own node, manage channels, run LNURL servers, etc. But they still get the same UX.
Here is an idea. Let's say a user doesn't want to use Cashu. Pure Lighting maxi which I think is great. I've been a Lightning dev for years before I started working on Cashu. This user could still be nutzapped and even remain fully self-sovereign if they run their own node.
What if the receiving user's Lightning wallet (custodial or non-custodial) was able to melt all nutzaps it receives by watching the nostr wallet ("nutsack") of its user? Either for every nutzap or whenever enough nuts are accumulated, the service could withdraw the nuts to the user's real Lightning wallet.
Effectively, this would improve the zap UX by showing everyone an instant zaps. The receiving user's custodian (or themselves) would have to run something like a nostr-cashu-wallet-watcher on a server to receive while being offline, but they have to run a Lightning node and LNURL and all that anyway (they already have a server).
Even without a server, normal nostr clients without true nutzap support could withdraw all nuts accumulated while they were offline back to their Lightning wallet everytime they come back online. The only real difference to a normal zap is that noe it's the receiver's job to settle via Lightning, not the zap sender's.
Nevertheless, zaps on permissionless social media like in nostr will never be completely trustless. They can't solve the sybil problem for instance. If you want, you can zap yourself an infinite amount of normal Lightning zaps on nostr without moving s single Satoshi. We faked zaps in the early days like crazy just to have fun.
But it actually turns out, all that doesn't really matter too much at all. First, people seem not to abuse the sybil issue. We had fun for a few weeks but then it got uninteresting There is not enough to gain, no algorithm to fool, no benefit of lying (at least not yet). Second, zaps are literally free money given to you from a random person. Why would someone rug you if they want to literally gift you money? It doesn't make much sense.
I think we have a lot more to learn. @PABLOF7z recently said he thinks we have explored 1% of what zaps can be. He might be right. I think the reordering of events that a bearer zap system like with Cashu brings could open new doors for insane UX and it looks like we're actually going to find out. We have zero-config wallets now. Imagine how cool it is to bring your money wherever you go with your nsec.
Keep exploring, cypherpunks. We do live in the best of all times. Bullish on Bitcoin, bullish on Nostr, bullish on Cashu π§‘
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Before I start really nutzapping I feel the need to run my own mint. And I wish this was easy, I still cannot figure out how to exactly.
I feel like I place where I can make nuts and nutzap someone instantly without having to rely on the 3rd party or another mint to stay online for me.
Maybe Iβm missing the concept entirely, but without the ability to create my own I donβt feel like Iβm getting the full experience.
I used to give people sats by using https://tipcards.io/
It's great. They have a Wallet of Satoshi tutorial. The problem is wallet of Satoshi is not available to normies in the United States anymore. Normies aren't getting an apk for Phoenix wallet on GitHub. To think otherwise is not a realistic.
After the WOS ban, many of the early nostr people left because they didn't have an alternative lightning wallet. Cashu gives us more options than the Custodial alternatives.
I started making Cashu Cards
because cashu is interoperable with many different wallets. If one wallet decides to pull out of the United States, other wallets will still be available. That's why I like it. Even though I am a super-geeky lightning node runner myself, my wife would punch me in the face if I made her run her own lightning node. So would most other people.
#Cashu enables offline bitcoin payments. That's really cool for small amounts. It's like zaps in meatspace. Nobody's telling you to put your life savings in Cashu, but it's awesome tech. It could also work with fiat gift cards. Chaumian e-cash was almost used with fiat in the 90's. The 90's are back in style. Make ecash great again!
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Greeting Cards give bitcoin using the Cashu protocol. - Marc26z/CashuCards
Easy: run a Lightning node, install nutshell on top, get https (caddy for example) and your mint is good to go.

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GitHub - cashubtc/nutshell: Chaumian ecash wallet and mint for Bitcoin
Chaumian ecash wallet and mint for Bitcoin. Contribute to cashubtc/nutshell development by creating an account on GitHub.
I can make some fun designs if you want βοΈ
That would be awesome!
I am working on my art work with a lot of Nutsπ€£ and soon I have the items digital in color (vector) so can make easy a design. For example of this one π₯πΏοΈπ€£ (this is a sketch)


Comes out of this art work that I make for @Bitcoin FilmFest
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Iβm so frustrated X banned me for posting bitcoin content
So now Iβve come over hereβ¦ Iβm still trying to understand how to use this platformβ¦ hope this works better over here


Looks great.
Just DM me next week orso with the size/guidelines for a caed so I can make some examples. βοΈ
I have 2 LN nodes. MyNode and StartOS.. Iβll give it another shot π
Sure. Thanks man. I love your work.
Copy pasta π
This is awesome - π Thank you
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This thread has convinced me to learn as much as I can about cashu