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I’m genuinely confused at how many people on Nostr are weirdly authoritarian. I mean it’s a permissionless decentralised social protocol. You’d think people who used it would not be enthusiastic nationalists who believed in an authoritarian state. It’s like bitcoiners who are excited about the US government integrating bitcoin in to the central banking and federal reserve system. The entire point of bitcoin was to create a financial system in opposition to Wall Street and central banks. It confuses me. I also get confused leftists who think the solution is to deplatform people they oppose, but thankfully the “delete their account” folks aren’t much on Nostr. It’s the right leaning authoritarianism here which confuses me. View quoted note →

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Places online that I thought were impervious to this kind of thing, have sadly turned out not to be. I for one don’t like the right or left as they are today, they seem to be the same thing almost. Angry. It makes it harder for people to find friendly political ground and they feel compelled to run to one or the other, there seems to be less of a “safe haven” in between now. Or is that what we are led to believe? Are we not using our own ears, eyes and minds? Have we all become conduits of the echo chamber and that seems to perpetuate across many of the social media platforms.
I don't believe you truly understand or have faith in Bitcoin. Being a Bitcoiner doesn't mean you are against all centralized organizations, such as nations, governments, or companies. We simply want to secure our rightful, rather than being completely at their mercy. Similarly, Bitcoiners also understand that change won't happen overnight; it will take time, and for a long time in the future, Bitcoin and fiat currencies will coexist. It is a good signal for us to see the U.S. government integrating Bitcoin into the central banking and Federal Reserve system. This shows that the coexistence of Bitcoin and fiat is officially taking its first steps in the world's most powerful nation. And finally, bitcoin will replace most of fiat currencies. As for your last point, I can only say that you are a kind of hypocrite. Leftists not only call for the deprivation of speech rights, they also use real actions to deprive people of the right to life. In contrast, the right-wing is only fighting back against these real actions to deprive people's life by leftists. These two are completely different. ‘If Charlie Kirk's assassination was just an excuse they had been waiting for, if it wasn't him they would have found another excuse.’ Unfortunately I can only say, 'leftists are violent criminals, sooner or later.' So it makes sense that they can find another excuse.
I don't believe you truly understand or have faith in Bitcoin. Being a Bitcoiner doesn't mean you are against all centralized organizations, such as nations, governments, or companies. We simply want to secure our rights, rather than being completely at their mercy. Similarly, Bitcoiners also understand that change won't happen overnight; it will take time, and for a long time in the future, Bitcoin and fiat currencies will coexist. It is a good signal for us to see the U.S. government integrating Bitcoin into the central banking and Federal Reserve system. This shows that the coexistence of Bitcoin and fiat is officially taking its first steps in the world's most powerful nation. And finally, Bitcoin will replace most of fiat currencies, if not all of it. As for your last point, I can only say that you are a kind of hypocrite. Leftists not only call for the deprivation of speech rights, they also use real actions to deprive people of the right to life. In contrast, the right-wing is only fighting back against these real actions to deprive people's life by leftists. These two are completely different. ‘If Charlie Kirk's assassination was just an excuse they had been waiting for, if it wasn't him they ... see more
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I feel you. Plain politics in a Marxist state is eternally ineffective. The Jew and its lovers have banned effective opposition. It is illegal. Nothing outside the Marxist state can be accepted. All Jew-lovers are Marxists. There are no exceptions to this rule. The Jewish race manifests itself on the planet as the vanguard party in the Marxist state, which is international in scope. Jew-lovers implicitly understands this, and they would sorely like to have a seat at the international table of never-ending psychopathic parasitism. These critters are extremely aggressive parasitical breeds. The only way to successfully come out on top against such noxious creatures is reciprocating with even more extreme aggression. This is nature's law. A Marxist state cannot be eradicated from inside the system. Once it's cemented, safeguards are put in place to ensure its perpetuation. Jewish Marxism is parasitism on a gargantuan scale. The remaining option is violence, executed with unprecedented brutality. Violence is the most effective form of politics. Moral considerations need not apply. These highly virulent life forms don't operate on moral grounds. They operate according to the parasitical inclination. It's perfectly OK to kill them.
YOU LOST ME AT “THE ENTIRE POINT OF BITCOIN WAS TO CREATE A FINANCIAL SYSTEM IN OPPOSITION TO WALK STREET AND CENTRAL BANKS.” I DON’T RECALL READING THAT IN THE WHITE PAPER….I FEEL LIKE THIS STATEMENT IS WEIRDLY AUTHORITARIAN….
This is a Marxist theater production. JD Vance is a certified Marxist, a radical internationalist and a seasoned Jew-lover. JD Vance is firmly planted on the left. His master, Donald Trump, is revolutionary left wing. America is not a democracy. It's an autocracy with 536 property owners. Beneath the property owners lie the Marxist state apparatus, which is international in reach. A democracy presupposes that the population has property rights. Americans don't have property rights, which is the basis of all other rights, which means that they have absolutely zero rights. Americans and Europeans only have privileges. Privileges are granted by the property owners. Privileges are: "your" life, "your" children, "your" bank accounts, houses, pensions, stocks, bonds, guns, freedom of movement, freedom of speech, socks, etc. All privileges can be removed. The POTUS and the US Congress are authoritarian left. Donald Trump is taking the United States in the direction of Judeo-Bolshevism 2.0 AKA psychopathic totalitarianism AKA psychopathic parasitism. Once this state has been entered, there will be no going back. It's a self-perpetuating system where the slaves have all been reduced to the lowest common denominator, which is parasitism. To fix the situation, upstanding and noble American plebs have to exterminate the POTUS and the entire US Congress. Then annihilate the Marxist state apparatus from top to bottom. Marxism is total in scope, so it must therefore be extirpated in its totality.
This is a Marxist theater production. JD Vance is a certified Marxist, a radical internationalist and a seasoned Jew-lover. JD Vance is firmly planted on the left. His master, Donald Trump, is revolutionary left wing. America is not a democracy. It's an autocracy with 536 property owners. Beneath the property owners lie the Marxist state apparatus, which is international in reach. A democracy presupposes that the population has property rights. Americans don't have property rights, which is the basis of all other rights, which means that they have absolutely zero rights. Americans and Europeans only have privileges. Privileges are granted by the property owners. Privileges are: "your" life, "your" children, "your" bank accounts, houses, pensions, stocks, bonds, guns, freedom of movement, freedom of speech, socks, etc. All privileges can be removed. The POTUS and the US Congress are authoritarian left. Donald Trump is taking the United States in the direction of Judeo-Bolshevism 2.0 AKA psychopathic totalitarianism AKA psychopathic parasitism. Once this state has been entered, there will be no going back. It's a self-perpetuating system where the slaves have all been reduced to the lowest common denominator, which is parasitism. To fix the situation, upstanding and noble American plebs have to exterminate the POTUS and the entire US Congress. Then annihilate the Marxist state apparatus from top to bottom. Marxism is total in scope, so it must therefore be extirpated in its totality. View quoted note →
I'm not sure if this is about the state, or "authoritarianism". I see this as genuine blowback from grass roots every day people who've had enough of the madness, and don't want to see people getting murdered, or to see people cheering for others getting murdered. I'm sure there are also "authoritarians" out there equally worried about this, but that isn't the gist of this. This is bit of a read, but very much worth the time:
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 I'd be genuinely interested to hear your thoughts on it?
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Continuing my thoughts: I don't think you can apply the label "authoritarian" to people calling for crime control - that's the #1 function of the state! You can perhaps try to make the case that now the government is going after people who are not criminals, but incitement to crime is also a crime. And yes, I'm sure many will weasel that cheering for murder is just "an opinion" and not incitement, but I think it's time we just stop buying that BS. It's high time for the madness to end.
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Incitement is speech. Either you have absolute free speech, or you don't have free speech at all. Drop the charade. If crime control would be of interest to the Marxist state apparatus in the United States, there would be hundreds of thousands of "doctors," judges, politicians, journalists and professors lying dead on the streets after the murder of 1,1 million plebs by lethal injection of the Donald Trump vaccine. This will not be forthcoming, so it's up to the honorable plebs to kill off Donald Trump and the US Congress. Then finish off with liquidating all Marxist state operators in the country.
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This is a sick joke. Trump supporters not wanting anyone to get murdered? Donald Trump and his Jews just murdered or permanently impaired their family members. These parasitical fucks don't care about madness or liquidated husbands and sisters. All they care about is following their parasitical inclination. Parasitism trumps dead wives and sons. The highest dream of minor parasite is to one day become an even bigger parasite. That's why Trump supporters love the parasitical Jewish race and all its psychopathic Marxist lovers, boyfriends and beaus.
Noticed this too. Glad to see there are at least some others who notice this. Our contributors are left disheartened most days, doubting why we moved to #Nostr as our primary platform for information dissemination. But since a large number of us are from tech and crypto, we understand the separation of a decentralized product from its fanatic users. Let's hope this is just the we're-early, like it was when a bunch of us joined Twatter in 2008, and bought #Bitcoin in the years that followed. View quoted note →
Samesies. I get tired of the firehouse of bitcoin bros and transmaxxers here too. Like go fuck yourself groyper, nobody wants to hear your stupid fucking incel shit here except Nick Fuentes. At least Kirk is finally out of the picture, but I digress. image
There are some real gigabrains in this thread. I think it just boils down to people who think they have been right about bitcoin (and they have so far) think they are right about everything. Zero introspection or willingness to admit they believed lies or were wrong about anything.
As Nostr grows, you’ll see more and more of every kind of person in your replies and feeds. Even now there’s everything far left, far right, anarchists, flat-earthers, you name it. That’s the nature of decentralized and open networks: they attract groups that get pushed out of centralized platforms. That’s why strong filtering tools are essential. Without them, we end up seeing far too much of what we don’t want, and people eventually just stop using the platform.
The left hurt them so they lined up for whoever promised to hurt the left without thinking about the cost of revenge. Same for most of the extreme liberals except that they will burn the whole world down to hurt the right. Insecurity + revenge create an incredibly destructive force in the world.
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You can distrust the existing liberal democracies but to then advocate for authoritarianism is not anti-institutionalism. It is in fact wishing the state had even more power. It’s like, “hey this system isn’t working great, what if we gave it more power and less accountability, that’ll make it all better.”
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You know this. I know this. So that’s already two people on here knowing this. A start. Nonetheless for many people it makes perfect sense to distrust institutions and therefore switch from democracy to authoritarianism just because the latter is not an institution. It’s personification. Psychologically that’s different. I’m just taking perspective here. Not my opinion.
Curtis Yarvin's Urbit and Balaji's Network State are framed as democratic on the basis of decentralization, but are incredibly monarchic; obey or leave. It's like saying you oppose the Roman Empire, but welcome the Dark Ages where Feudal Lords reigned over peasant serfs. This "if you don't like it then leave" mentality is one of total privilege and complete individualism. Many Bitcoiners unfortunately are libertarian individualists who only oppose MEGACORP in favor of their own CORP, their own rule, and their own people. Decentralization != Democracy
I'm getting hammered in the comment section of a right-leaning substack this week. The account started as resistance to lockdowns and mandates - you know, abuse of centralized authority, censorship of media, etc. The number of commenters who really believe that when Bondi says she'll go after hate speech, it's ok because she's on the *right* side with them against the bad guys... it's bewildering. It's why I moved away from the Left - the complete inability of my cohort to see that abuse of authority was dangerous regardless of how happy they were to see certain figures or ideologies targeted or certain narratives squashed. On Nostr I see much less of this, though! Maybe the folks that take the time to disagree with you are the ones that jump onto the thread to comment?
If organisations are set up to tear down democracy and that openly threaten the lives of US citizens, then surely the government should take action to stamp them out or at least limit their capacity. If you want to have a society free from socialism, and at the same time there are countless groups funded to achiving this aim, when does it become okay to act? It should be very clear to all that the left will resort to violence, blatant lies and corruption to achive their objections. It is also clear that they will not be stopped by peaceful debate. So pehaps there needs to be some consequences for what they are doing?
On Nostr you have actual freedom but, for some weird reason, people who's mind is poisoned by politics are often attracted to meaningless patterns of speech, like a mindless LLM. And the American right loves to use the word "freedom" a lot without ever meaning it. So that's why.
Left and right is just the same. They exercise authoritarian to its people and you even make it worst by introducing new terms “ right leaning authoritarian “ Is like there is some in the right which is not totalitarian. The bad system is too much over controlled population in any aspect .
> I also get confused leftists who think the solution is to deplatform people they oppose, but thankfully the “delete their account” folks aren’t much on Nostr... While CEOs delete accounts for mere personal reasons, it's absolutely natural and understandable that there are people asking to "delete their accounts". It's natural.