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no, yes, obviously

Sorry I was slow. I do think the fire is unstoppable. The work is NEVER done!✅

have spoken about it at length, many times i hate the spam, but do not think we can stop it, bitcoin will be fine, nodes will be a bit more expensive to run node operators should have more options regardless, opensats has been focused on this concern for years, i have donated significant time on that front

Okay, keep up the good work then, and thank you

It’s not about the spam. IMHO, Bitcoin Core were too dominant, too close to the code and became corrupted. They went against consensus for no good reason. Next time, while many nodes may not paying attention, they could unilaterally push another code change that would reduce #bitcoin immutability even further. They are too close to the code. They are the biggest risk. While not ideal, I run Knots now.

I think ideally, we should aim to have several good options, with none having too much node-share. Maybe not more than 20%. Long term project, and first we have to win the current battle.

did you get that knots is just core with an insane man's nonsesnical tweaks added? that's like bragging about using mint instead of ubuntu but dumber

Maybe core wants alternative clients to take the spotlight off of them. They dont want to *take the lead* on filtering. Let the node runners have options. Opening up Op_Return is forcing the issue and now alternative clients will rise; node runners have more options/control. The anti dev thing is not correct and not helpful. IMHO we should be anti-spam, pro do nothing (=dont panic), pro devs. I agree that filters *work*. By *work* they increase the cost (time/money) to transact around them. However, the fee market is actually the ultimate neutral uncorruptable filter. It is also relentless: they (VC, spam bros, alt token bros) have to pay, then pay, the pay again forever. If their *use* doesnt provide lasting value to humans, then it will be priced out. If it actually does, meaning it outcompetes bitcoin's hurdle rate, then we are collectively better off. You hate spam, I hate spam, eventually even the spam enjoyers will bend the knee as they run out of resources to keep up with the cost of transaction finality onchain - and will decide, that they hate spam too. The fee market has our collective backs - forever.

the biggest threat to bitcoin is lack of scalable self-custody. if you use IOUs instead of bitcoin you're not using bitcoin. too much risk. actually I take it back. the biggest threat to bitcoin is people saying "it's okay to use a custodian." the community doesn't tar and feather these individuals enough. actually actually it's probably the dwindling block reward, but everyone is too cowardly to even talk about what that's going to do. many much bigger problems than "spam"

Get outta here, monero loser. We're doing real stuff here.

Your argument appears to be, "core devs are playing 4d chess and are actually altruistic, so let's thwart their 4d chess by not calling out their bullshit." This is convoluted bullshit. If you believe they're doing that, then shut up about it. Call out the bullshit, like you're supposed to do. Maybe you're right, its possible, but it doesn't matter. Have some self control. Or realize its convoluted bullshit and quit wasting time.

And what about the fee market taking care of this? Also BS?

As long as there's a fee discount, yes. Unfortunately. I'd prefer a market solution too.

I'm so sorry about your brain damage

I agree with all you said except “maybe core wants alternative clients to take the spotlight off of them”. Ain’t nobody got the truth here, but my impression is that core had a clear episode of arrogance and ubris (rather than a deliberate facade act like you suggested). Let’s hope the free market will push out the spammers soon. It’s so painful for my little heart to see bitcoin, possibly the greatest human liberation invention, to be “dirtied” like this 😢

They did not go against consensus. Rough consensus is an open software development process and has nothing to do with the opinions of all of us who are not contributors to the code. Knotts doesn’t even have a consensus process, it’s just the changes Luke wants to make to Core.

The spam issue is not the biggest threat to bitcoin and the only reason so many people think it might be is because so many non code writing influencers have said it is.