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What do we do when we have one hashtag and two meanings for it? Like, there is #Amethyst, for the Nostr client, and #Amethyst for crystallography research. If the same hashtag is used by both groups in separate relays and users start merging those relays by rebroadcasting stuff, do both hashtags just cease to become interesting? Do their communities disappear out of "I am not here for this" feelings of disappointment? Is this a Nostr battle for which community wins over the other by the sheer amount of posts? Do clients have a role in this? Do relays? How do we solve it? Do we even need to solve it?

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The beauty and the problem of #hashtags is that anyone can use it to either reference the actual topic, or to infiltrate its feed (like it happened with some porn making it to the #zapathon feed briefly). If the ability to use any hashtag is taking away from users, discoverability on #nostr is hindered, but is there anyway this can be solved on a user level? Do we need moderators to filter? People or Ai filters?
WoT is not a plug-and-play solution, it is a group effort of aggregated relational endpoints and edges. What we can (and should) do with WoT is form trusted networks of relays (nip-66) What we can do with WoT is offer verifiable consensus amongst moderated auth-enabled relays What we can do with WoT is manage friend lists and trust scores and curate lists between users and groups. However what we cannot do with WoT is wait for it to solve problems that are inherent to the protocol. On dedicated community relays, hashtags don't conflict across a global feed of notes. Each relay has its own collection of respective hashtags. I have to side with @cloud fodder and nip-66 / nip-42 on the order of hashtag conflicts. In a smaller world, individual conflicts can be addressed and resolved without mass, global dilution.
So your 2 positions are: * we already have all the tools we need to make hashtags work * hashtags can never work except on paper My position is still that hashtags can work when devs build the tools for them to work, which you fucking gaslit me and muted me over because it contradicted your position that we already had those tools, but now you say hashtags can only work on paper? Why are you fucking allergic to the simple position of "we should build the tools hashtag users need?" Why are you fucking allergic to the simple position of "we should build the tools hashtag users need?" Why are you fucking allergic to the simple position of "we should build the tools hashtag users need?" What the fuck is wrong with you and your supporters? image
everything keeps going in circles: hashtags, works on any relay -> gets spammed -> use different relays where hash tags are moderated -> which relays? -> goto 10. the pieces that are missing: invites to relays + nip66 enhancements. invites or recommended relays for a particular hashtag. relays being mod capable, easy to mod, via CLIENTS, in the first place.
i keep bringing up the hashtag association with a relay set could easily be a 'community' but clients are not interested. i think, because they werent architected to be able to do such a thing and would need a rewrite (kinda like outbox rollout). i am hopeful that the outbox generation of clients will have more control over their sdks so as to make these experiments possible.
I think it helps with discovery. plenty of words have more than one meaning, we'll manage. not a problem, a solution.
Vitor Pamplona's avatar Vitor Pamplona
What do we do when we have one hashtag and two meanings for it? Like, there is #Amethyst, for the Nostr client, and #Amethyst for crystallography research. If the same hashtag is used by both groups in separate relays and users start merging those relays by rebroadcasting stuff, do both hashtags just cease to become interesting? Do their communities disappear out of "I am not here for this" feelings of disappointment? Is this a Nostr battle for which community wins over the other by the sheer amount of posts? Do clients have a role in this? Do relays? How do we solve it? Do we even need to solve it?
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Vitor Pamplona's avatar Vitor Pamplona
What do we do when we have one hashtag and two meanings for it? Like, there is #Amethyst, for the Nostr client, and #Amethyst for crystallography research. If the same hashtag is used by both groups in separate relays and users start merging those relays by rebroadcasting stuff, do both hashtags just cease to become interesting? Do their communities disappear out of "I am not here for this" feelings of disappointment? Is this a Nostr battle for which community wins over the other by the sheer amount of posts? Do clients have a role in this? Do relays? How do we solve it? Do we even need to solve it?
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