ok iโll bite. nostr feels absolutely dead. itโs not just me. a lot of accounts i try to keep up with are constantly posting and getting almost no engagement. maybe it's time to be honest and actually think about whats going wrong instead of trying to create fake hype. there i said it.
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I seem to be getting more engagement than ever
feels dead to me for the past couple of months. iโll pull the data lets see what it says
"Jamie pull that up"
As a writer, I feel some of that pain...๐ซ๐ข
Here's a recent experiment I tried, raising an issue similar to yours... You can see how little engagement I got:
I think, like most social media, there's heroes, and then there's the rest of us (near) zeros... ๐ค๐ง๐ณ
Trying a poll for the first time...๐ค๐
Ambivalent about paid polls, I've set both MIN and MAX zap values to 1 sat, but what I really seek is your ***honest*** opinion, especially if you're an author... ๐ซ๐๐
And I understand if you're averse to throwing sats at a poll; if so, please respond with a comment or an emoji?๐ค๐๐๐
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POLL
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I confess to being mystified by authors who use paywalls...๐ฎ๐ง๐ณ
As an author, what I prize more highly than anything else are ***readers***, among whom, readers who interact ***in good will*** providing honest feedback--positive OR negative--are a treasure beyond compare.
All ye who read and respond with a vote or comment, Thank You kindly in advance...
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What are hoping for? What would not dead look like?
i wanna see a connected community and thats just not happening on nostr right now. feels more like a bunch of disconnected blogs, each with two visitors a month
I post like I'm retarded, with this vague engagement. ๐คท I'll use Nostr to write my grocery list and I'll still post. ๐ On the other side, it might be kinda true that I have no value to add, from other people's perspective, so there's that.
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I'd zap your grocery list ๐ค
This is what's left to buy before the end of the week. ๐ Incomplete names because it's my list. ๐คท


You don't duck around!
Maybe we need more grocery lists? Everyone shops for groceries sometimes.
I mean, shitposting is shitposting, no matter what shit I post. ๐คท
You buying a cottage?!! ๐ Iโm coming over for duck.
Cottage cheese and duck breast. ๐ It's an actual grocery list, I don't write the full names.
If there was more non-Bitcoin, non-Nazi content like your post here, that would help
For me, the relatively high percentage of daring, taboo-ignoring, Jew-critical, racially conscious, and highly intelligent writing here makes NOSTR an excellent experience, even though growth seems slow.
You're a Jew and a faggot, fuck off
I think we're early. Zaps are the future.
perhaps happiness isn't found on "social" media
I like the smaller, higher signal engagement.
Idc if only 5 people see my reply.
Reddit was like that ~15+ years ago.
My account is so old, they stopped making badges lol.


I am super happy here and it actually healed my relationship with social media and how I want to use it in the future. It also made me more productive, especially output-wise. But I understand your concerns. ๐
good subject and self honesty as a group of nostriches here
Beginnings can be small, but I also think connecting to ActivityPub networks can increase the network effect, or at least lower the bar for joining a bit
I love nostr apps, they don't show me murders when I open them
Another controversial take
is it really a controversial take or just a reality we donโt wanna hear
I agree, but thinks it's just a phase. We've seen many of these.
There are def glaring improvements that need to be made on discoverability and I think many developers are at least aware.
I wonder if a lot of it is hierarchy based. My view is that X and other platforms' users gravitate towards large accounts. I mean, Lynn Alden is great but why are so many zapping her? One of the smartest financial people around and all these small accounts zapping Lynn. Nostr is supposed to be a leveller, and yet people come on here and behave just as moronically as those elsewhere.
Next, this Bitcoin maxi sentiment. Nothing wrong with picking a tribe and running with it but to many newcomers it is overwhelming.
The technical hurdles to operating around the nostr ecosphere. It is a challenge even for technical people like me.
I am sure there are guides but nostr needs to publicise places, knowledgebases. Yes. There are some great efforts but it feels too esoteric.
My presence on here is as a force of good but does anyone actually care about the work me and my collaborators are doing? This is the reality of it.
good thoughts
Or maybe, after a period of selfreflection and real experiences over xmas/new years, people are just taking time off the phone and getting on with their lives instead of just posting shit on the internet..
hope thatโs the case but iโve been noticing this pattern for the past few months. thereโs definitely a correlation with bitcoinโs price. nostr is a pretty saturated place for bitcoiners and price action clearly affects how people show up and behave here.
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Where can we see the most accurate active user counts ?
To prevent Nostr from remaining lifeless, I couldn't wait to come and interact with you. ๐
As I ran over, I think I tripped and fell. You see, I'd rather trip myself than fall down like Nostr.
The thing is I've encountered more bots and spam on X Twitter than on here.
I appreciate the level of engagement here but I do hope people do jump over to nostr because you're right, it needs more users
The trending feed on primal is always same few people.
And like, half the time less than 10 other people interacted with them to get on the trending feed.
That is kinda telling.
Also lots of people unfollowing and muting each other at the moment over war mongering and siding with central banks and fiat currency against bitcoin .
They may have something to do with everyone having less interaction.
Like if you are against war, that's an automatic mute from half the large accounts on here now
You are an honest person who dares to ask pointed questions.
What you say is true, but my personal approach changes when the purpose of posting on Nostr isn't engagement. It's not about likes, building a community, or having followers. It's simply about uploading and preserving a record of my own comments and actions over time.
For me, it serves its purpose, whether there's interaction or not. ๐๐ป
Yes, I thought so too. But if the majority of nostriches are behaving like us, I bet it doesn't serve its original purpose anymore.
Lately it feels like weโre at peak information overload.
So much noise. So many takes. Always something new demanding attention. At some point it stops being helpful and just becomes exhausting.
Maybe we donโt need more informationโฆmaybe we need a break.
Anyone else feeling that?
We are inundated by noise
mmmmโฆ and what is โgoing wrongโ from your perspective?
True, because unfortunately it's all about the share of the ads revenue and/or because ordinary people prefer to have their anus scanned to be able to participate.
I wish there were more street fight videos posted to NOSTR.
I actually prefer little engagement thatโs authentic on Nostr. Just feels more chill and that Iโm interacting with real people just living their lives, doing what they love, talking about the simple but important things in life.
Exactly ๐ค๐ป
Oh ye of little faithโฆ
โฆall in due time. ๐ค
I donโt think youโre wrong. Nostr rewards patience and depth, not constant feedback. That feels dead if youโre used to dopamine loops.
I mean, it was Christmas. The internet was always dead at Christmas.
Scrolled truth social lately?
Ads are more than 50% of the content
Nostr is at least ad free. Iโm here to stay
Completely agree, itโs slowly dying
There is a place for Nostr being censorship resistant. It might be flagging right now post the pandemic censorship era, it likely to again increase as content also improves or if more censorship is applied. There is also strong competition from X, which continues to battle for free speech too and is doing a fine job.
Twitter made me delete comments where I called the Australian prime treasonous and accused him of putting Israel's interest before Australia.
It stopped me making comments and made me go back and delete it myself before I could comment again.
Also it's like 75% spambots on every tweet and all the real humans are always hidden at the bottom under the spam label
Was that after Elon Musk had bought it and changed it to X?
Whether or not, X is doing a good job relatively, far better than when it was Twitter, which lowers the need for Nostr.
Was similarly banned from LinkedIn during the pandemic after raising awareness that the MRNA vaccines were experimental and COVID-19 fatality rate low for anyone under 50 years (particularly children).
Almost alive
Is there a point to social media absent influencers and algos?
talking about nostr on nostr is what made nostr ded
All of the people still here talking about why nostr is failing


yeah right


looks like bitcoin ^^
lol i mean do we see people on x talking about x?, or people on mastodon talking about mastodon all day lol, hey guys i made this app on nostr and it zaps and you can use your wallet etc lol nobody in RL gives a shit
X not much; fedi yes, due the the instance software wars, the blocklists etc.
I wasn't saying you were wrong, so much as suggesting we can't really know why someone else quit. Imagine you left and someone else said it was because we weren't talking about le internet money enough?
wait, is nostr.band back online?
try relay feeds, discover new people and coversations. follow or create lists.
that helps me to see new stuff.
(idc about engagement)
That's not my opinion. It's developing slowly and being built diligently, which is not the case with other platforms. If you look at the growth, you can see that people are slowly but steadily switching from centralised platforms because they are looking for solutions. There's a saying here that good things take time.
as far as i know nostr's been around 10-15k active users and hasnโt really moved out of that range for a while. if youโve seen data showing otherwise happy to take a look
A crucial point is still that anyone can create as many private keys as they want... nevertheless, it is becoming clear that there is small but steady growth! Don't ask me for figures, but what is happening in the background and will sooner or later render all other protocols obsolete is not a problem as long as it grows slowly. I've been hearing your argument a lot lately, but unfortunately I can't confirm it! Let's wait and see what happens when the censorship gets tougher
There is a lot of lurking that doesnโt show as engagement, and the incentives on nostr hit differently than getting fake engagement on legacy. Might only get one or two people replying or zapping your posts and it still feels more valuable than 100 legacy likes, or โimpressionsโ
What would be needed for it to โnot feel deadโ? More people signing in? More people nor passively scrolling but engaging?
legacy social media has taught people to be passive eyeballs, trying to wake people to true engagement is where weโre at.
Am i wrong?
all sounds great but no user growth. no new faces, no new thoughts. there is a big discoverability problem but itโs directly correlated to user growth of course. bottom line is i donโt want to see the same fuck faces with 50 likes on 24hr trending evry time they post.
thatโs one of the few reasons i never use the 24h trending ๐
always the same 10 people
i have faith things will pick up, new users can come in through different avenues of all of nostrโs โstuffโ ๐
There is no algo, there is nothing baked in to boost engagement, there is no incentive anywhere for it, Nostr is anti engagement by default. Embrace it. Embrace the boredom.
I thought it was bcoz it was Xmas. ๐ฌ
Thereโs a lot more interaction on this post than most on X
Nostr is doing great, submit a NIP if you have improvement ideas.
Itโs very weird. Itโs the one platform where the engagement is low, but I get paid through zaps.
Other platforms do not zap (pubky), or cost me (X/twitter).
Quality > quantity brother
There are a lot more articles getting posted than 6 months ago.
I would say that is true about posting, as well. You have 50+ responses.
Zaps are less common because people either don't set up their wallets (easy to do, folks), or they think half a penny is going to turn into a million dollars someday.
Iโm new here, and apologies in advance for the somewhat rambly reply, but I hope the context is important for the deeper message.
Some background: This morning, I saw a post on X - something like โaccording to Nostr Iran seems like a pretty big deal. According to MSM itโs a non story. If your concerned about censorship at least follow @White Noise, @bitchat โ
Already downloaded bitchat following an X post re Uganda. Downloaded White Noise iOS test flight app. Created Nostr account using it with the generated name. Just clicked โnext, next, finishโ. Now I donโt know anyone in โreal lifeโ to add so kind of stuck there. However in the tweet comments was another tweet which referenced @Damus and @primal .
I had downloaded @primal many months ago but got stuck at the signup page on the app. I canโt remember what, but it asked for some information that I didnโt want to provide, an email maybe. Anyway, I downloaded @Damus to give that a try instead. It asked me for my Name and an, admittedly optional, Bio. My NAME!? This stopped me in my tracks. This is supposed to be anonymous? Iโm not giving it my name. No. Nope. Not a chance.
However this time was differentโฆ Taking a breath, I see the words, โAlready on Nostr? Log inโ. So I took my brand new Nostr private key from White Noise and used it to log into Damus. Iโm now logged in using the Nostr account that White Noise created for me. I follow some people, have a click around. I then open Primal, log in with my Nostr private key. I see the same people I followed on the other account, all synchronised via the Nostr account/network. Nice!
Now how to chose between Damus and Primal? Well primal seems to have some extra functionality, and I had seen it referred to by more of the people I follow on X, so probably that one, but a quick flick into the changelog on the App Store seals the deal for me. Primal has completed many updates in the past year, @Damus hasnโt updated anything in 7 months.
So here I am, a new user/Nostr community member. I check out the Trending 24H feed and come across this. My first though is, โI hope not, I just got hereโ. My second is about perspective, and that leads me to where I believe both the challenge and hopefully the magic is with Nostr.
I believe every person has a unique perspective, based on their experience up to this present moment. That is based on their interactions with the world, inputs received, outputs shared, resulting feedback, ad infinitum. Some people may think it incredibly silly that the mere fact I had to pick a name stopped me dead in my tracks, but that was my blocker to adoption. The fact that the developers of White Noise added to their UX the random generation of a name, and my prior knowledge of decentralized networks and public/private keys allowed me to then be unblocked for adoption.
Now I donโt think I will use White Noise much as I donโt think that is a use case for me, at least right now, but development in one app in the Nostr ecosystem unblocked a barrier to entry for me in another app. If a Nostr community member hadnโt posted on X, I wouldnโt have known. If previous content creators hadnโt produced content to educate me on decentralized networks I wouldnโt have joined the dot. If bitcoin content creators hadnโt made me think about decentralized networks on a wider scale I wouldnโt have gone looking for that education. My point is, adoption is complex, it is many, many, small seemingly insignificant things that combine to a โtipping pointโ that turn a โinterested outsiderโ into a community member/user.
Some external factors (covid, emergencies, law/policy change etc) can change the balance of the barriers to entry for people, ie the โpainโ makes historical concerns less significant in a given moment. Depending on the barrier this may lead to a โwell itโs done now and that wasnโt so bad was itโ, or โnow โthe painโ has reduced Iโm not comfortable anymoreโ recalculation of the barriers to entry/continued adoption. Its not fixed, itโs fluid, which is especially apparent with decentralized open source ecosystems, there, by design, is no central authority that says โthis is your only optionโ/โyou have to do this or elseโ. So there will be ebbs and flows, peaks and troughs.
What will enable success, in my meager opinion anyway, is the belief, but more importantly consistency of every community member, as you never know what contribution you make today, will unlock something for someone else tomorrow.
One final thought or perspective, is feeling SAFE:
I lost faith in โthe systemโ a few years ago and that has left me in a sort of limbo. I donโt trust what I have been told to date, I donโt know who to trust, I donโt understand the new technologies well enough and they (whilst much better than before) are still different and a bit clunky, but most importantly, I still have a day job, a family, responsibilities, that take up increasing amounts of my time, energy and attention. That resulted in me just stopping participating. No social media posts, closing down old accounts, talking with people less as they donโt like โmy conspiracy theoriesโ. I reduced and collapsed my life in the old system, but had no new system to put it into. That just left me a collapsed person. I feel like, from my perspective, the next phase of adoption comes from not making people aware of the problem, not building a new system, not understanding/educating on the new system, these are all important, but it is to help people experience the new system, to feel safe, to feel empowered. Things will continue to happen that push people to seek out alternatives, but in that state people are scared and fear is great at reducing your cognitive abilities. Things โjust need to workโ and people need to feel safe and supported. And that, as they say, โtakes a villageโ.
I wouldnโt in a million years, no I couldnโt, post this on X or any other platform, because the pure, brutal, honest, vulnerable truth of the matter is that I wouldnโt feel safe to do so. And itโs only from writing this now, that I realise, I wouldnโt feel safe sharing this in any aspect of my โnormalโ life. Now Iโm not trying to compare my lack of safety to others, Iโm very fortunate compared to other people globally and donโt take that for granted, but there is something powerful to be able to share without the shackles of societal noise wrapped around me. Anonymity gives me that safety.
Yes Iโm a bitcoiner and that is what led me here, but what would keep me here is that feeling of safety. That feeling of being in an environment, a community, where I can share my perspective with others, without the constraints of societal or personal expectations, where I donโt need to filter myself, or be filtered, where I can speak my truth and for others to do the same. We all are unique and have a unique perspective and experience of and on things that when shared enhance the collective whole.
Maybe one day my feeling of safety evolves into feeling empowered, which one day evolves into feeling self-sovereign and maybe that changes my name from this random generated one to my real one or maybe something else entirely, but for now, WHAT I have to say being more important than WHO is saying it, is for me, in this moment, the magic here.
I may well be shouting into the wind on a โdeadโ platform, and even if noone reads this, I know it helped at least one person, and thatโs me. Hopefully it can somehow help others too
You should set up your wallet with coinos.io or something, I cannot zap this comment
Thanks for this. Hopefully I now have one set up
Best read of today!
You do and it works!
NOSTR is what you get when social media is not flooded with bots, fake profiles, and military level propaganda and advertising, + advertising algorithms
I actually like coming here and talking to other real people!
Yep, NOSTR โonlyโ cough, cough, posters ainโt doing much posting.
Praying not โeh tuโ Bitcoin?
We are on absolutely uncharted territory with nostr. The path will reveal itself as we follow him.
Nostr isnโt a him. Maybe start there ๐
English is not my native languages. Maybe start focusing on the meaning an not the grammar.
Referring to a โโtool โ as a he automatically assumes itโs meant for masculine. This is common in tech world. Thatโs the overarching meaning. Men have been selling that lie always. :)
People are playing outside in the snow here this week โ๏ธ
As someone that have been wandering through several digital realms such as the Fediverse (especially Lemmy where I'm used to spend most of my online time), Geminispace, Dark Web (Onion HSes and I2P eepsites), I'd say this is far from being a Nostr thing only, it has been an Internet thing. The Dead Internet hasn't been a theory for a long time.
Bitcoin brought me to nostr. That's why I stay with nostr.
I come here less often than a few months ago. Centralised systems are more efficient and deliver better UX, which is key for users. Iโm not sure privacy is actually superior here. Social networks are about socialising and network effects, if your interests arenโt here, your time goes elsewhere. I use Reddit more (to engage with my culture) and Substack more (for STEM and finance).
That said, I still love the idea and the network, so Iโll definitely keep roaming around, especially since Fountain is integrated with Nostr.