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I've been wrong about something and I'd like to show you what I've been wrong about. If you do not wish to see violence don't click the link I'll be posting below. Due to recent discussions about ICE agents in Minneapolis (wearing masks, because that's somehow the worst part of the events... 🙄), I've been poking about the most infamous incident lately: the shooting of the woman driving the Honda pilot. I broadly believed reports that the woman had hit the agent with her vehicle. If that was the case, it's clear cut self-defense. However, on further review, this does not seem to be the case. As such, I have changed my opinion based on more facts and deem the actions of the agent to be outside the bounds of self defense and would label this as murder. The video floating around, and that I've posted here on nostr showing a clear hit has been fairly certainly found to be a fabrication. Below, you'll find a link to reddit. I know, I know... but it contains a video that is compiled and synced from videos that do seem to be legitimate, and they clearly show malice of forethought by the agent in question as he drew his weapon before the woman had turned her wheels to move her vehicle. https://www.reddit.com/r/minnesota/comments/1q71k0w/all_angles_of_minneapolis_ice_shooting_synched/ As such, the agent broke with all known SOPs regarding firing at a "fleeing vehicle" thus, IMO, is guilty of murder, at least until I am presented evidence otherwise. That being said, it doesn't change my opinion on: -Agents wearing face coverings -ICE is doing a job that is necessary as long as there are national borders and unwelcome, criminal miscreants -Ending the welfare state will solve nearly all of these issues without the descent into martial law -Agents of the government operating with carte blanche immunity will only be emboldened to do more of this So, I was wrong, evidently, about this particular shooting which I will call a murder now. That's fine. (Me being wrong, not the murder.) I'm still open to discussing it and being presented with other evidence on either side. I'd even appreciate it.

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↩ replying to CR45H 0V3RR1D3
I guess the videos I've seen are not so clear with the wheel direction, and in general it's much easier from the outside, in retrospect, to come to a conclusion. I can't imagine in the moment how either of them were making split-second decisions. Not defending him, by the way; I'm horrified by this shooting. I just don't know that we can ever know for sure what was going through everyone's head.
↩ replying to FiddleHodlHomestead
I could agree that we will probably never know exactly what her intentions were, but that’s not the most disgusting part. That would be dress up Barbie Noem and Cheeto Hitler’s blatant defamation of this woman before they even had all the facts. Trump said, and this is the fucked up part, that she drove over him and dragged him down the street. If this isn’t clear evidence of the narrative they are trying to push, I don’t what it is.
↩ replying to FiddleHodlHomestead
There are two narratives, she was either trying to get away, which all of the evidence, at the very least, suggests. Or, she was intent on trying to run down the agent, which absolutely no evidence corroborates. By all means, if there was any evidence, outside of their subjective opinion, that proved her intent was to kill him, I would back that asshole up 100%, even if he did violate numerous ICE policies. However, since none has been brought forward and local authorities have been cut out of the investigation, that’s pretty damning if they are still trying to push the self defense narrative. This is why it’s partisan, because those that oppose their disgusting narrative, have been cut out of the loop that would allow them to prove as much. It also guarantees that evidence can’t be tampered with when all parties have access to it.
↩ replying to CR45H 0V3RR1D3
One of the narratives doesn't mention that she was there specifically as an agitator, that she had moments of resisting just before. Does that excuse the shooting? No, of course not, but it changes the picture. The other narrative seems to think that since they're frustrated with immigration, militarized response is a reasonable solution. Some folks seem to think that the agent went up to the car and shot someone in the head out of the blue. Most of the people that see that narrative don't realize that there are videos that support the self-defense motive. I've seen them. (I don't necessarily believe them - or the others, for that matter - because I'm not sure how to verify any of it.) In general liberals don't understand why there's any support at all for ICE. I think they attribute it to bigotry, but it's at least partly because they don't see many of the stories that conservatives see. Trump supporters see stories of an 8yo killed by an immigrant who had been previously been arrested for DUIs and somehow was still 1) not behind bars and 2) in the US. They don't understand why the media is focused on an adult agitator rather than an innocent child so they conclude that liberals are heartless and manipulative and somehow miss that state violence is a different beast altogether.
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"Leftism is the pretense of empathy, devoid of its reality. Anybody with empathy would understand that the agent is not looking at the tires and calculating where scientifically one should expect the car to go. He's looking at the driver and observing the current direction of the car: headed towards him." - Nick Szabo At :44 you see the officer being rammed *hard* by lesbian rambo:
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That, my friend, is called critical thinking, something the MAGA cult clearly doesn’t have. They’ll say she was trying to ram him even though all of the evidence points to the contrary. They’ll say it was a spontaneous event, yet the ICE officer managed to get his phone out and start recording well before the incident, which is certainly not SOP. They’ll say the driver deserved it, even though you can clearly see that she wanted to cooperate, it was her wife that was the instigator. So, yeah, murder, possibly 1st degree..