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Maybe following people is overrated. It's totally doable to use Nostr by just following relays instead. You can get a very nice and well-curated feed today by just browsing wss://nostr.wine or wss://pyramid.fiatjaf.com -- and this is because basically no one even knows or is aware of this mode of doing things and we don't have the relay infrastructure necessary to enable such flows, so it has a lot to improve. Maybe we should really only be following at most 50 people each, only the people we want to ensure we will not lose sight of, and people who have been banned or inhabit a different ecosystem (of relays) than the one we frequent the most. Aside from that just following a bunch of relays, either grouped together or in different tabs.

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I like the intention of better UX but scalability-wise it's similar to the idea that we should all move to the woods. Just doesn't support a billion people on Nostr. For that we need to decouple transport from the social graph and better solve the common neighbor problem that relays currently pose. I'm all for following fewer people at the same time. Circles or tribes or aspects as they're called in other systems help replicate the closeness of the offline good old days. More people will feel they belong if they converse both up and down the social ladder.
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as i see it, the issue is about UX subscribing, or blocking seeing events from authors is simple enough, but it doesn't assign trust, or distrust. it does, sorta, but sorta doesn't. the problem is about how do you impute trust without burdening the user with excessive input on every single one of them to add at least one bit of trust/distrust value to it i think the solution is that you analyse the user's interactions, and assign a score based on which of their follows they respond to the most, and from that, you have a much better proxy for trust, without adding complexity to the UI. it also has analytical uses in the sense that you can define a filter that selects from the data gleaned from some specified set of users, and then modulates that based on their interaction levels with them and sets a threshold or a probability of including a given event in a feed as defined by that group. this group can also then be defined by the user's own follow and interaction history. if there was an algorithm that i would like to have on my feed, that would be it
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also, people can be perverse and follow and interact with people to troll them. this is another layer of how to build such an algorithm, but much harder to evaluate. something that would require an LLM classifier to evaluate the positive/negative nature of these interactions to add a third dimension to the algorithm
There needs to be a new type of interface with relays that can request various feeds from a single relay. A relay operator may want to have multiple different feeds for different users. I don't think it makes sense to expect much curation when asking a relay for its entire recent database. Sure, this can be solved by relay software that runs multiple relay fronts behind the scenes, but IMO there needs to be a way to request a list of curated feeds from a relay. There needs to be some way to differentiate between a firehose feed and a curated feed, with relays being able to provide both in a way thats easier and more discoverable than a separate subdomain for each feed.