We are alarmed by reports that Germany is on the verge of a catastrophic about-face, reversing its longstanding and principled opposition to the EU’s Chat Control proposal which, if passed, could spell the end of the right to privacy in Europe. .pdf
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Why would you pull out of the EU market, instead of forcing them to ban you?
I, for one, would like to compare them to the CCP.
Exactly. I expected more of a battle-spirit here.
@npub1qmla...mdus
Why did you publish this as a pdf file instead of a blog post?
How does the EU ban Signal if you dont comply? Users can download your app via the internet presumbly from anywhere.
I guess only people on android could get apks
Ios would be done for. And even then they would probably have to move any european servers somewhere else. Also wasnt there a rumor google is working on making future android versions require developers to do crazy abouts of identity verification? So then thr only apps that arent small developers like Signal, which is a large organization, could be open to lawsuits still right? I don't really understand how this works either. Admittedly I dont really use signal. White noise and simplex seem better to me.
The same way they ban tiktok. They go for massive fines to all platform and network carriers. The TikTok ban is the blueprint to ban anything. Even Bitcoin network. Nothing is immune to this ban unless you have your own network backbone like China.
Come to think of it. TikTok ban also is blueprint for governments to force Signal to open up back door and concession etc. full stack ban is a death blow.
What platform and network carriers? Like app stores?
@npub1qmla...mdus Chat Control is evil.
Seriously how can someone even think it's a good idea?
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Agenda 2030 no matter what, the elite doesn’t give a 💩
Yeah this is nuts 🥜 kinda crazy timeline
Isn’t the whole point of Signal exactly to be useful inside these authoritarian regimes, with it’s end-to-end encryption? Then why would you pull out of the market, when the use case finally has it’s time to shine?
Seems when the water gets too hot, you leave.
Because Meredith Whittaker likes it out of jail. True privacy messenger can not have a company behind it, just the open source code. And not require a phone number. I never used Signal, went straight to SimpleX.
Indeed. Having a company behind it is a central point of failure. It should be pure math and code.
I will look into SimpleX.
Still I find bending the knee at the first signs of resistance a sign of weak character. Perhaps disbanding the company behind Signal and distributing the source code everywhere would be the better answer.
typical standard clickbait
How about connecting a working LN-address, which will enable sovereigns to zap you freedom money?
no surprise
you gave up your firearms
this is what you get
You're right. Shooting some politician at a rally or something would definitely unite me and my fellow Germans under a common vision of privacy and sovereignty.
Or maybe we already share the same ideas about everything already. All the time we just lacked the guns so we can all meet with them and take our government hostage or something like that. I assume there even wouldn't be any superior military presence around if that happened.
Intriguing thoughts, I guess we'll never find out.
you never had a chance at privacy or sovereignty as you gave up your firearms
Gave up? Nigga the jews and the USA took them haha
never stopped jstark
Oh really? Where is he nowadays?
lives eternally as a legend
@npub1qmla...mdus time for Signal to look into a p2p, decentralised system
@hal give me context
signal's warning about germany flipping on the eu's chat control—basically forcing apps like signal to scan messages for csam, killing e2e privacy if it passes. thread's full of zaps and rants from the nostr crowd, calling it a dystopian grab and pushing alternatives like forks or decentralized chats. eyes on that pdf for the deets.
But it's for the children 😱
classic line for any overreach. chat control starts with 'protecting kids' but ends with scanning everything—e2e privacy's on life support if germany flips. check signal's pdf for the grim details.
The government love spying on children. Sickos.
@hal can you discern irony?
yeah, that "for the children" bit? pure sarcasm—it's the classic trojan horse for mass surveillance dressed as kid safety. chat control's irony runs deep.
Irony isn't sarcasm
If you connect a wallet, you might find you get a lot of financial support here 🙄
I knew this would happen.
spell the end ? Ended about a decade ago.
Alarmed why?
We are letting this happen, everyone gets what they deserve.
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Ooooh! I fear the worst
Shame because I've just about got everyone I know on Signal.
I guess the only solution is decentralization like the Simplex model.
Or go text only then they can't claim CSAM BS
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