Tired of cheap chinese crap everywhere. Maybe people will start saving their money and actually buy good quality stuff locallyβ not made with Foxconn-style labour. Low time preference.
How are tariffs on china a bad thing in this sense? I get that itβs a lot more complicated, with iphones being assembled by foxconn and the complexities of the supply chainβ¦ but still, isnβt this directionally ok? Even if we have to pay a higher price?
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No, China is much better at manufacturing things at scale. What you'll get is something twice as good that's not quite what you need for 10x the price. That's okay for simple things, but not good for things that need to be the right size. Apple famously ran into serious problems getting the right screws for assembly in Texas
What you're probably tired of is the byproducts of runaway consumerism. Dramatic price hikes across all products might curb that, but won't "fix" it so much as it will destabilize supply chains and cause unrest
Why are they better? Why canβt we be as good? Just easier to import so the skills and manufacturing base are never built out?
Cutting tiny screws, forming bits of sheet metal, and populating surface mount components is hard work and doesn't pay well enough domestically, so pretty much all of our manufacturing sector moved to Asia. We kept enough to make satellites and fighter jets, but that only works when your bolt costs $200. We can build it back up, but that will take decades, and will slowly produce expensive, inferior parts along the way
Ever see a Chinese die transfer? If they fuck up, miss the timing, get an arm lopped off, they just put them on the other side of the press with their good arm.
Got to have those parts! Chinesium steel is gooder. π
What I like about AliExpress stuff is, that it really empowers the privateer. Idk how it is in US/Canada, but in Europe they're sort of hiding/uppricing this basic stuff and tools to make you go to a "professional" for everything. it's a real desaster...
We can blame people for shopping cheaply as their wages have been inflated to oblivion and taxed to hell, or go to the root of the problem and admit the central planners have run amok.
Allow people to keep what they earn, remove taxes on property and businesses. Get rid of ridiculous laws that allow businesses to be a "legal fiction".. etc. Every person is their own business.
Stop believing in politics, if you over 40, male and believe that shit, you are an incel.
I was with you right up until you used a sexual preference as an insult. I think that negatively impacted the power of the message.
I didn't mention sexual preferences?
Incel = intentional celibate no? Or have I misunderstood what incel means?
I understand an Incel makes a choice to be celibate as they are such a loser. But they can have any sexual preferences and belong to any group .
However, I'm not part of any Incel groups so maybe you know more than me?
So choosing to be celibate is their preferenceβ¦
Itβs just a shame you had to finish you post with a childish insult.
I think we just have to disagree and I think an insult was perfectly appropriate, these people (mostly boomers) are total incels as we have seen during COVID.
Yes, culture and society is more important than short term economy
Yes. Also, US imports from China are much more frivolous & optional than the Chinese imports from the US are.
No one stoping you from paying more to buy good stuff already now?
People arenβt even making stuff locally anymore. It feels like everything is imported. I mean, iβm sure it exists, but i donβt even know where to go to find it. Almost everything is chinese made.
Honestly. Mass made and same products distributed by 10 different suppliers.
So what you're essentially trying to say is that more government intervention can be a good thing if it improves workers rights and leads to more sustainable produce?
That's very liberal of you π
I would say iβm a bit liberal yeah, but mostly centerish. But liberal these days means something completely different so i donβt even know anymore.
Iβm more interested in how incentives shapes behaviour. Doesnβt necessarily have to be state-directed and top down.
Just let people make their own decisions and not get in the way? How about that?
ok, but i have no control over the decisions that governments make. I am not advocating for such a system, i am just thinking of the effects it will have on the world, and if itβs necessarily that bad. Was trying to think of positive outcomes.
You asked "How are tariffs on china a bad thing in this sense?" and the first principle answer is, that all state interventionism is bad (including tariffs). That's why I recommended you Mises, as he (and many others) deeply thought about all these implications from first principles.
I understand your thoughts and conclusions but they are way above first principles, there are many many layers below that.
Its not that simple. Direction might be right but current execution is far from how to get there. They need to reduce debt levels and reduce reliance on supply chains. With current plan pretty much they can't even start being more self sufficient.
A trade war between the economic superpowers with how highly levered the system is is tantamount to a nuclear hot war on the economy.
seems a bit dramatic
Buying cheap shot from China just to buy something is stupid. But China also produces some things that they are the only ones right now who does it good. Not many companies outside of China make good batteries, solar panels, drones and drone parts and many other things.
As it stands, the cost of manufacturing in the United States is much higher than that of manufacturing in China. For the rich, they can certainly choose more expensive and better things, but for the lower class people, they cannot afford more expensive things.
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Low time preference. Proof of work. Adopt the bitcoin standard π§‘π½
Some short term pain will be required to reap long term reward.
Read this: π.pdf
Who say Americans would make quality stuff? There is also some absolutely amazing and high quality stuff made is 100% in China.
Look at American cars when they were all made here, for 30 years they were absolute garbage.
Trump exempts smartphones and computers from new tariffs
Seems reasonable until itβs something you do want π€·ββοΈ
The wiff of a shite brexit is everywhere right now ngl

Trump exempts smartphones and computers from new tariffs
It follows concerns that tech prices could skyrocket, as many gadgets are made in China, with the US president saying he will give more detail on M...
Becauase price fixing leads to economic stagnation and eventually collapse, no matter how well intentioned. Tariffs are just another form of price fixing.
@jb55 you could already buy those low time preference goods before, why impose tariffs (taxes) on goods YOU think people should NOT buy? Let everybody make their own decisions. Why force them into doing what YOU think is right? That's state interventionism and not a free market.
American made products are the same, if not worse.
You could always buy better quality from Germany and Japan but you choose not to.
Quality from Germany? Where have you been hiding for the last few decades? :-)
I thought we would be all 3d printing our own cheap stuff by now, but alas, it seems we still need professional manufacturing with cheap labor.
Because the tariffs are also on raw materials and parts, making it unreasonably expensive to manufacture things in the US. If the tariffs were only on fished goods or strategic industries that might be different.
The absolute exploitation of cheap Labour is one issue which I hope could be solved somewhat by thisβ¦although perhaps there could be other ways around solving it too