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Telegram CEO Pavel Durov arrested in France… If there is a throat to choke, it will be choked. If there is a head to cut off, it will be cut off. Platform owners that bend the knee to totalitarianism will censor and deplatform you. Platform owners that do not comply will be arrested and threatened with the full force of “The Law.” Nostr is a Hydra. You cannot kill Nostr. There is no single throat to choke, no one head to cut off. Succeed in cutting off one head and two will grow in its place. https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/telegram-messaging-app-ceo-pavel-durov-arrested-france-tf1-tv-says-2024-08-24/

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This arrest only makes sense in terms of destroying an avenue for dissent and free speech. That's the only logical reason. If authorities in the EU cared about stopping terrorism and child pron, they would use Telegram as a tool to infiltrate groups doing it to arrest the perpetrators. The fact that they are doing this is actually evidence that they specifically DON'T care about stopping terrorism and child pron. Why else would they try to eliminate a tool that could help catch predators and terrorist? View quoted note →
Long hail hydra
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Telegram CEO Pavel Durov arrested in France… If there is a throat to choke, it will be choked. If there is a head to cut off, it will be cut off. Platform owners that bend the knee to totalitarianism will censor and deplatform you. Platform owners that do not comply will be arrested and threatened with the full force of “The Law.” Nostr is a Hydra. You cannot kill Nostr. There is no single throat to choke, no one head to cut off. Succeed in cutting off one head and two will grow in its place. https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/telegram-messaging-app-ceo-pavel-durov-arrested-france-tf1-tv-says-2024-08-24/
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Nostr should be tested by spreading some real crimes here. Curious to see what would happen. Like selling hitman services, fentanyl, plastic homemade guns in Germany, coordinating mass unrests in some sensitive asian places or UK, etc. To really piss some governments of.
There is no head to cut off!
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Telegram CEO Pavel Durov arrested in France… If there is a throat to choke, it will be choked. If there is a head to cut off, it will be cut off. Platform owners that bend the knee to totalitarianism will censor and deplatform you. Platform owners that do not comply will be arrested and threatened with the full force of “The Law.” Nostr is a Hydra. You cannot kill Nostr. There is no single throat to choke, no one head to cut off. Succeed in cutting off one head and two will grow in its place. https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/telegram-messaging-app-ceo-pavel-durov-arrested-france-tf1-tv-says-2024-08-24/
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We should be naive to think the governments can’t go after people in #nostr ! The relays will certainly be the first target for hosting “illegal” content! Can they win? No but they scare the hell out of some relay owners! On the other hand probably countries that oppose the West might even run there relays to give room for dissent!
I think Durov is not innocent. Telegram is potentially tied to the Kremlin. Don’t be fooled by people virtue signaling and hiding behind free speech. As long as platforms are owned and control by someone free speech is compromised. (Same with Elon by the way)
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Telegram CEO Pavel Durov arrested in France… If there is a throat to choke, it will be choked. If there is a head to cut off, it will be cut off. Platform owners that bend the knee to totalitarianism will censor and deplatform you. Platform owners that do not comply will be arrested and threatened with the full force of “The Law.” Nostr is a Hydra. You cannot kill Nostr. There is no single throat to choke, no one head to cut off. Succeed in cutting off one head and two will grow in its place. https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/telegram-messaging-app-ceo-pavel-durov-arrested-france-tf1-tv-says-2024-08-24/
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Telegram CEO Pavel Durov arrested in France… If there is a throat to choke, it will be choked. If there is a head to cut off, it will be cut off. Platform owners that bend the knee to totalitarianism will censor and deplatform you. Platform owners that do not comply will be arrested and threatened with the full force of “The Law.” Nostr is a Hydra. You cannot kill Nostr. There is no single throat to choke, no one head to cut off. Succeed in cutting off one head and two will grow in its place. https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/telegram-messaging-app-ceo-pavel-durov-arrested-france-tf1-tv-says-2024-08-24/
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Telegram CEO Pavel Durov arrested in France… If there is a throat to choke, it will be choked. If there is a head to cut off, it will be cut off. Platform owners that bend the knee to totalitarianism will censor and deplatform you. Platform owners that do not comply will be arrested and threatened with the full force of “The Law.” Nostr is a Hydra. You cannot kill Nostr. There is no single throat to choke, no one head to cut off. Succeed in cutting off one head and two will grow in its place. https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/telegram-messaging-app-ceo-pavel-durov-arrested-france-tf1-tv-says-2024-08-24/
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Telegram CEO Pavel Durov arrested in France… If there is a throat to choke, it will be choked. If there is a head to cut off, it will be cut off. Platform owners that bend the knee to totalitarianism will censor and deplatform you. Platform owners that do not comply will be arrested and threatened with the full force of “The Law.” Nostr is a Hydra. You cannot kill Nostr. There is no single throat to choke, no one head to cut off. Succeed in cutting off one head and two will grow in its place. https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/telegram-messaging-app-ceo-pavel-durov-arrested-france-tf1-tv-says-2024-08-24/
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Actually there still IS single points of failure. Let me explain. - App Stores. At the behest of governments can simply demand that ANY app speaking the protocol be removed. In addition, they can wield regulatory powers to not permit any phones to be manufactured and licensed for sale that permit the loading of these apps. We have to fix the root of the problem, authoritarian governments, not find ways to mask the symptoms.
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Of course. But do you controll the code in the web browser apps on your phone? No. App Store can require browsers in use on their devices to block access to a rolling updated list of sites and addresses which serve this protocol. Or not be permitted on their App Store and on people’s devices. Yes, there most certainly is work arounds. It’s the web. One of the KEY features which makes sites like YouTube and x/twitter whatever so popular is their ease of use on people’s devices and their pockets. I can 100% pop open a terminal client on my laptop, load up irssi and connect through a proxy into an irc server. Fully encrypted, and from behind restrictive firewalls. (I’ve done it to bypass draconian university sensors). Yet, it’s pretty pointless when there’s nobody on the other end to talk to. One needs to educate every single friend how to utilize the service and what steps they need to access it. People just simply don’t have the brain space to jump through hoops to get connected to you. So they gravitate towards ease of use and familiarity. Twitter Facebook messenger instagram, services they’ve been using for years. It’s quick, it’s easy and it’s comfortable. They don’t have the same interests in finding new censorship resistant mechanisms to utilize for social media, because frankly they’re comfortable in their bubble already, and don’t want to go where their friends are not. To communicate with, no-one. Yes this tech exists and it’s frankly awesome, but it’s also essentially irrelevant until it reaches a critical mass of people to become understood by the vast majority and therefore widely useful. I like the protocol, but right now, while it’s still hugely still being developed, is the time to point out flaws as we see them, so we can fix em before they become problematic.
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Your welcome. It’s simply a point of view. Not a dig on the protocol, or project. Just trying to identify potential avenues of problems so they can be fixed or worked around before they become debilitating. One additional concern is, advertising money goes where the people is. So since this protocol is new yet, and lacking users. We have yet to see advertising flood into the space. The form that that takes, could potentially be so overwhelming that it floods and blocks legitimate users from actually finding each others posts amidst a sea of advertisements. One of Instagrams biggest problems is, I can scroll for pages and see nothing but OF advertisements, and one or two friends posts mixed in. All these accounts simply direct people off the platform, and none of them actually interact with their followers on the platform of instagram. So it’s essentially one big advertisement wall. How’s that problem going to be handled in this protocol? If those accounts don’t come here, that means highly influential people won’t use it, and bring their thousands of followers either.
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Telegram CEO Pavel Durov arrested in France… If there is a throat to choke, it will be choked. If there is a head to cut off, it will be cut off. Platform owners that bend the knee to totalitarianism will censor and deplatform you. Platform owners that do not comply will be arrested and threatened with the full force of “The Law.” Nostr is a Hydra. You cannot kill Nostr. There is no single throat to choke, no one head to cut off. Succeed in cutting off one head and two will grow in its place. https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/telegram-messaging-app-ceo-pavel-durov-arrested-france-tf1-tv-says-2024-08-24/
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Dsa en vigueur n'oubliez pas même les USA l'ont y compris Misa NYC ..très cher walker. En fait les citoyens se devraient de suivre tous les avant projects de lois avant qu'ils soient actés et mis en application.... Certains journalistes spécialisés se devraient de faire du matraque médiatique afin que ces projets gouvernementaux puissent être compris par Tous ... à moins qu'ils estiment à leurs niveaux que ces types de lois protègent la majorité des citoyens...infos sensibilisation et préventions..vous comprenez maintenant pourquoi les citoyens français sont souvent en révoltes et l'on nous classe de *râleurs* en manifestant jusqu'à bloquer certains de lois..dans nos structures il est de notre rôles de travailler sur les tous détails de textes avant qu'ils n'avancent pas trop jusqu'à restreindre de plus en plus nos libertés individuelles..