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↩ replying to HODL
Unpopular opinon: being anti-national
thepurpose's avatar thepurpose
Usually I wouldn’t waste time amplifying a low‑signal debate, but I keep seeing people conflate “anti‑national” with “anti‑American.” Let me set the record straight: being anti‑national means I’m fundamentally distrustful of nationalism as an ideology -not of any specific country. Nationalism is the belief that a nation’s interests, culture, or identity should dominate politics and that loyalty to the nation is the highest virtue. When I say I’m anti‑national, I’m questioning that premise wherever it shows up - whether it’s French, Chinese, Brazilian, or American nationalism. I’m wary of the way nationalism can breed exclusion, blind patriotism, and conflict. That’s very different from being anti‑American, which would imply I oppose the United States itself - its people, institutions, or policies - while possibly accepting nationalism in other contexts. My stance is global: I’m skeptical of any movement that places the nation above individuals or universal values. Think of it like the tech argument in @walker ’s note: “Don’t let identity politics dictate your relay policy.” Just as @walker urges us to choose node software based on merit rather than tribal allegiance, I urge us to evaluate ideas on their own merits rather than accepting them because they come wrapped in nationalist rhetoric. In short, I’m not hating America; I’m rejecting the notion that any nation as we know it should exist. Networkstate mindfuck included. View quoted note → h/t @walker. PV 🫂
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↩ replying to HODL
How is Israel, England, Australia or Canada assaulting US first amendment? Even if they wanted, they couldn't. It's US internal thing. Only US citizens can change it from inside. And those countries proved that are not "supposed" allies. They proved it when US called for help. They came, helped, bled and died for US.
↩ replying to npub1sxkr...pve5
Israel never came, helped, or bled for the United States. Australia certainly did, they sent troops to assist us with the First and Second World Wars, and in recent times the Korean War, Vietnam War, Gulf War, Afghanistan, and Iraq. But all Israel has ever done is attack the USS Liberty. Don’t you fucking dare compare those goddamned scheming yids in Israel to our actual greatest ally, Australia. Regardless, Aussies should fuck right off if they want to interfere with free speech.
↩ replying to npub1s54c...74y9
Propaganda can be a tool, a technique, a process and yes, a weapon. It’s used by everyone. Governments, political movements, corporations, media, religions, advocacy groups, and individuals. The US uses it. Canada uses it. The UK and Australia use it. Businesses use it. Private citizens use it. If using propaganda disqualifies someone as an ally, then the US has never was an ally to anyone and had an ally and no country has ever been a friend to another. As long as humans have tried to influence opinions, propaganda has existed. That’s just reality. By that standard, even internal political campaigning would count as hostile action. Which is obviously absurd. For example: Elon Musk openly encourages Europeans to vote for extremists and attacks moderate political solutions. He’s far from the only American doing this. So hearing accusations of “foreign propaganda” coming from the US is, frankly, ironic. What’s really interesting in the current situation is this: People are suddenly calling influence from the UK, Canada, and Australia “propaganda” countries that have admired the US for decades, adopted large parts of US culture, and literally fought, bled, and died alongside Americans when the US asked for help. At the same time, many of those same people downplay or ignore propaganda from China and Russia countries whose explicit goal is to weaken the US and reshape it into something more like themselves. If I were China or Russia, my primary objective would be simple: Use propaganda to divide Americans. Help elect the most incompetent and corrupt leadership possible. Convince people that longtime allies are enemies. Wrap it all in slogans about “making the country great again”. You are being played but you have no idea by who.
↩ replying to makeheroism
Confusing speech with censorship. Thinking criticism equals an “attack.” Not understanding that the First Amendment restricts the government, not private individuals or TV commentators, etc. Criticizing, talking about change etc. of 1st amendment is ironically protected by1st amendment. And that's not all. For attack on 1st amendment to have an effect, 1st amendment would have to be changed. For 1st amendment to be changed, there should be overwhelming support of American people. What do you think American people are like if you think that someone talking on TV can make them support changing 1st amendment? Do you see a problem there? No...do you see multiple big problems there? If you think that talking does change minds of big majority, if all it takes is talk to loose foundation of your country, what does that tell you about whole thing? Do you see multiple problem there? Thinking that Canada, England or Australia are somehow attacking US 1st amendment and are not real allies, while ignoring Russia and China, that's absolutely ridiculous and tells more about you than about system that you think is attacked or US citizens that you think would be willing to change it because of that attack. And all that while US president is limiting reporters....holy shit dude....holy shit.
↩ replying to HODL
We have free speech. As an example, I visited parliament last summer and outside was a demonstration against Covid. This demonstration was not stopped by anyone and I can only assume it has been going on for years. Respectfully, I hope you stop categorizing Canada as a captured socialist country.
↩ replying to HODL
It’s funny you talk about your amendment rights - doesn’t every citizen of the world both American and non American have the ‘right’ not to be fucked over by the dollar hegemony yet here we are! It’s a bit rich talking about depriving Americans of there liberties since America has built itself on exploiting countries of the world and in doing so depriving people of their liberties. The funding you are talking about is printed into existence anyway so it’s all one big clown show.
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American media won't mention it so i forgive hodl for not knowing. But a simple look online brings up lots of videos and articles about this already happening. USA hasn't had freedom of speech for a long time, Israel just has more control over american media than in other countries so it doesn't get reported, keeping Americans ignorant is a pillar of their system. Like Rockefeller (the one who created the modern American education system) said "I want a nation of workers not thinkers" image