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No one is advocating for that…

they have latched on to the "lifting op_return limits in relay policy enables csam" which is factually incorrect. this can happen today without any changes to core, and it doesn't make it any easier either due to preferential peering of libre relay nodes. basically they are just using this factually incorrect statement to attack core devs and to attract state level attacks.

What do you think they will use the OP_Return for? Storing the Declaration of Independence? 😂

It’s pathetic and gross. Honestly I was going to stay out of this debate but the Knotzis have forced me to wade in.

You are deliberately being obtuse. Removing the limit will only open the floodgate. This will lead to MORE spam, porn, and shit, NOT less.

No, I’m not. You made a false statement. Correcting you is not “being obtuse.” If you’re confused, read this:

Stacker News

A Comprehensive OP_RETURN Limits Q&A Resource to Combat Misinformation \ stacker news

My goal is to share a concise list of questions about OP_RETURN limits that we've answered on Stacker News, as the original thread has become unwie...

How?

Can you explain this better? How can this happen today? Im not trying to make a point, im really trying to understand

because uncapped op_return is the actual rules of the network. capped op_return is an unenforceable policy that is easy to route around. now if we think this is bad, we should softfork an actual limit so its impossible to get around.

What false statement? You think removing the OP_Return will lead to more spam is false? Stop thinking economically only. Why open an attack vector for anyone who wants to kill Bitcoin? Remember, you CAN’T roll back the chain. It only takes 1 CSAM to open up a can of worms and fuck it up for everyone. FOR WHAT? So miners can make another dollar?

how does changing a mempool filter fix the problem of datacarrier limit from taproot and segwit tho?

When you mean easy? How easy, easy for very technical people, or like direct submission to miners? Because if its not feasible to reliably route around the op_return limit I don't see why you should be basically removing it

easy as in you can go to

OP_RETURN Bot

OP_RETURN Bot will create an OP_RETURN output for you, you just need to pay the fees.

and put in whatever you want. this uses libre relay as their backend. if you want something custom you can just download librerelay and send it that way. people creating large op_returns with image data need to be somewhat technical anyways. if they can do that then they can download librerelay and broadcast it to a miner there is no "upload jpg" on the bitcoin client, you will be using custom software regardless. and it can be as easy as a website. knots doesn't do shit all to stop it.

Sort of. Items as valuable now as the thing you've just mentioned. Independence from whom?

All non-monetary data transactions can be fixed. Its because filters works. Thats why runes and ordinals shitcoiners are scared from tight nodes policies.

nobody seem to care. both sides are focusing on wrong things.

It’s very sad.

What exactly are you suggesting..?

I am also curious about this.

Well, that’s maybe inappropriate for today.

do you want me dead?

Figuratively. I want Bitcoin Core burned to the ground and rebuilt. There’s no reason to push such obviously divisive changes without ulterior motives. The arguments just don’t add up.

who is going to rebuild it?

there are 100 core devs who contributed to core in the past 500 commits. your plan is to replace all of these devs familiar with the codebase with who exactly

all because a non-consensus parameter was tweaked, a parameter which has no affect on what gets into blocks. seems completely reasonable 🙄

I think people in general, including me, struggle to understand what’s the point? If doesn’t work why is it there? If it does remove it?

Why*

Your comment was unnecessary toxic

If the circus that this has escalated into is the best those 100 devs could manage then they may as well be replaced with 100 monkeys. The meritocracy is you refer to is broken. It’s a pool of entrenched insiders passing themselves gold stars. You complain that non core people just don’t understand the technical nuances. But half the room is telling you YOURE GOING THE WRONG DIRECTION. But you’re deafened by your own collective arrogance. You personally just sound like a drunken child throwing a tantrum.

it doesn't work and doesn't align with reality. its explained here

Bitcoin Core

Bitcoin Core development and transaction relay policy

Bitcoin Core development and transaction relay policy

Im not even a part of this discussions, but it's clear to me that you should have stayed away from it. This is a pretty amazing bad take. Crazy thing to compare. You should be ashamed.

Nothing is changing other than policy defaults, which are meaningless anyway if you look at sub sat feerates. Your comment is vile, to insinuate violence against devs because you do not understand how Bitcoin works and have been emotionally riled up by Bitcoin personalities is deplorable. Take time to reflect on your hatred.

Every single sentence in this post is incorrect. Who are you trying to convince? Me?

It took me a minute to get what you mean with this picture. Notice literally every response thought you meant use the ropes on devs. This isn't productive. Stay sane, people.