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my dad came from a shithole country (trinidad) he was not a doctor or an engineer, he delivered pizzas to start, and our family received benefits for a long time. he had 5 kids 1 is an engineer, 2 are successful entrepreneurs, 1 is a poker player and 1 is a stay at home mom. Between all the kids we've paid back the benefits in taxes by at least 50x. In fact for 2025, myself alone will be paying more in tax than our entire family received since my dad got here. just some food for thought considering how demonized immigrants are right now, especially the browns. I think Canada made a good choice letting him in, but who knows

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Italians helped too. Pretty sure a lot of industry wasn't happening without a lot of black labor either. Heck the whole state of Texas immigrated, land and all 😂. From Mexico. We had a fair few Chinese guys too, something about creating the railroad that gave access to the west without involving dysentery and cholera on the Oregon Trail. The pace, not the race, is what is wrong with the current immigration. Values are not being adopted, and culture is not being assimilated. When you go to someone's home and interact with them with reciprocity, you're a guest. When you just pour in and use their resources and do not, you're an invader. And even if you're WILLING to help, if the homeowner is not able to find ways for you to pull your weight, you're still an invader.
nope. its the race. and everyone knows that the original "italians" were white. they lost their ancient civilizations when the non-whites population and influence, through white decadence and increasingly tolerant attitudes toward "multiculturalism" (for financial benefit no doubt) , overtook the original architects of the civ... get realism bro, #racerrealism . its not hate its the humble recognition deep respect for the fact that people are not reducible to economic units of production - no matter your misplaced sentimentalism and unrealistic idealism rooted in the dust of material concerns.
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My guess is that your dad was grateful for the opportunity & chance at a better life. The sense of entitlement among the youth (regardless of race) is quite different now. My parents immigrated to Australia when I was a baby, worked hard & never took a govt handout. They relied on my mother's parents to get their adult life started but only as much as they had to. What's a bit disturbing to me is the way in which African youth view white Australians. They look down on us as soft & weak while they take advantage of our socialistic policies. I don't blame them or have any animosity towards them but it's a little concerning to see our demographics change so much over the last few decades. I don't know where this ends up but I certainly don't want to be living in our cities any more.
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Are people demonizing immigrants? That’s new. I’ve seen a lot of demonization of illegal aliens and politicians dramatically incentivizing them to come. Only very low information, low IQ people confuse the two. Legal immigrants in my experience and from inherent selection bias are usually the most ambitious and hard working folk that make America great. Just like your dad.
I'm so sick of seeing people LARP as freedom minded individuals acting like immigrants are the problem and not the state. Idk about Canada but in erica watching people cheer on masked thugs kidnapping people off the street, scanning their face, and checking their papers based solely on the color of the skin is surreal. Then the same people turn around and talk about limiting government. The majority of deportees here have no criminal record whatsoever, and even if they do have one it's usually victimless crimes. If you come here and aren't hurting anyone, you. should be left the fuck alone. There is plenty of room, and immigration generates new jobs and grows the economy. Those demonizing immigrants are a bunch of fucking sheep who believe every thing they read on X about immigrants and are willing to let the state destroy our rights to "protect" them from the scary brown people. Ending welfare, I can get down with that. Deport violent people and thieves, that's fine too. But this letting ICE run around like drunken cowboys snatching everyone up, that's insane. A brand new dystopian surveillance state 10x worse than what we had before in America is being implemented using illegal immigration as the fake "emergency" to justify it. And if someone is so scared of immigrants they are willing to trade their liberty for some fake safety, they need to grow some balls.
A lot of the immigrants that are coming now, are coming to exploit. Because that's exactly what the government is offering them. If your coming to plant trees that you won't enjoy fruit from, as well as enjoy the fruit from the ones that were planted decades before you arrived. Fine, otherwise go back to your own country and try and make it better. Too many people will break economies and countries, if you think this is an accident you're a fool. When students can't get any starter jobs because immigrants have taken them all, that is a problem.
A lot of the immigrants that are coming now, are coming to exploit. Because that's exactly what the government is offering them. If your coming to plant trees that you won't enjoy fruit from, as well as enjoy the fruit from the ones that were planted decades before you arrived. Fine, otherwise go back to your own country and try and make it better. Too many people will break economies and countries, if you think this is an accident you're a fool. When students can't get any starter jobs because immigrants have taken them all, that is a problem.
Thanks for talking some sense and baiting some of the bad apples on Nostr to out themselves, @utxo the webmaster 🧑‍💻. Nostr content is getting so tiresome... Fun fact: while you were taking a break, I got some heated DMs basically calling me a hypocrite for collaborating with you and Bitvora while calling this shit out on Nostr. Apparently, they took you for one of the racist / North American MAGA / authoritarian-dressed-as-libertarian sheep on Nostr. And Bitvora for one of the crappy, spammy Lightning service providers on Nostr (after I blocked a couple from spamming the relays I’m running and returned a few of their bribery attempts). For the folks who need a reason for me to volunteer my time (why would anyone need a reason to maintain good software?), that’s why. Don’t take a good man, a builder, a second-generation Canadian, for one of the low-IQ, xenophobic racists loitering here. Signed: a Brazilian-born, UK citizen who has contributed more to this country in the past ten years than all of the Tommy Robinson followers on Nostr combined. I never claimed any benefits, not even during unemployment (and yes, things got pretty rough for a while). I built two businesses from the ground up, volunteered quite a bit, and was subjected to the 60% UK tax trap for several years while paying extra fees like the NHS surcharge. Tax-wise, I am sustaining an average of at least half a dozen of Tommy Robinson’s “patriots” on the dole while they are busy coming to London to riot and paint roundabouts red. The only thing I have to say to the "patriots" out there is... Piss off! Stop complaining about the immigrants putting food on your table and get good. Real patriots should, you know, do something for their country other than seeding hate and trying to start riots. You folks voted for Brexit. You folks did nothing while the corrupt politicians you voted for sold out. You folks let private equity take control of the country, including real estate. You are the ones about to elect Farage and swallow Musk’s fascist rhetoric of “violence is coming for you” while letting the US and Big Tech aristocracies weaken Europe and ruin our way of life. I have nothing to do with the UK’s decline. You do. Stop blaming immigrants for the consequences of your choices. Also, be careful what you wish for. Unlike you, I have real mobility (hint: moving abroad is nowhere near as easy as you think), so please take some responsibility and stop destroying the country that I love and that you are trapped in. Take some responsibility before it is too late. PS: As a very white person (yes, there are lots of people of European descent in Brazil, mostly children and grandchildren of European immigrants fleeing their countries during difficult times, so do remember that tables turn), I can say that “Arabs”, “Asian”, and “Brown” people are doing very well, thank you. In fact, most British “patriots” I know would move to places like Dubai and Qatar without a second glance if they had the opportunity to.
Bitvora didn't spam my relays, didn't try to bribe devs, or steal money from new Nostr users. Nobody ever complained to me that they received their very first SATS on a Bitvora wallet and them were told that they can't use it for anything other than paying for a "self-custodial" wallet subscription. Bitvora didn’t drive new Nostr users (and often new to BTC as well) away thinking that the whole thing is a huge crypto scam. I've seen you honour your commitments to your clients and invest countless hours and resources into building and hosting FOSS tech that has moved the state of Nostr forward, while humbly giving all credit upstream and dealing with all criticism that come your way fairly. So, for all that this eternal Nostr outsider opinion is worth, I salute you. And I'm sure you will still be building great things long after all the current VC money and grants currently moving Nostr dry up. About the source, aye, not much of a mystery. To be fair, they used an alt, likely to avoid screenshots leaking. But relatively easy to recognise. I'm not saying this to out anyone either, just sharing it publicly because I don't give a flying rat's arse anymore. Other than my own disappointment with some folks, no harm done. About immigrants, agreed. But the obsession with a few bad apples and refugees on dinghies, while enthusiastically supporting the very system that is sending Western civilisation down the toilet, makes me sad. It goes beyond shallowness. It's just the same old agenda of weaponised hate to distract people from the mess that a bunch of entitled octogenarians and a few sociopathic billionaires are making so that they can leech for just a little longer.